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Old 01-05-2010, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Outside of Los Angeles
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I don't understand. How do people afford this third world ovepriced region? don't even get me started on the taxes and the bankrupt state.

The VAST majority of people here do not make even $100,000..or enough to afford to buy. Is everyone a renter for life? Am I destined to live in a ghetto neighborhood? (ghetto by normal American non third-world standards?)

Why should a middle-class live in this dump as opposed to Vegas or Houston or Dallas? Why!!!?

Now we see why everyone is fleeing out of this city. Do normal americans even move to bay area? No. American outflow from the bay area into normal regions of the country is much larger than the inflow. Everyone moving is some poor person from the third world. Now we see why the state is bankrupt. What happened to this city I used to love???
I can totally understand your frustration and I don't even live in San Francisco. I think CA in general is a very expensive and overpriced place to live, no doubt about it. I agree on the taxes because now our sales tax is 10% and it used to be 8.25% for years. However, I would not call SF a dump, as there are worse places. And yes, lots of people are leaving CA because it is just too expensive and not a business friendly state. It just costs too much to set up a business and this is why many firms are relocating their offices out of state.

As for the other things you mentioned, I won't comment on those because of obvious reasons.

 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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LOL The Bay Area more discontents and unhappy campers than you think. I'm not related in any way to that guy. He posted on whatever was on his mind. It so happens to mirror much of what I've been saying.
Ok fine, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. However when you provide some stats to support your claims, then ask for mine, ok?
 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Then I was recommended Oakland but...yikes! Talk about terrible!gl
Now we know beyond a shadow of a doubt who this really is.

 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Its a third world lifestyle because of class stratification, bad roads, bums, un-assimiliated immigrants, bad schools etc. Even normal activities such as driving are cost prohibitive because of high gas prices. Therefore people with his level of income (100k +) might feel a little poorer and like they got the short end of the deal.

What about those facts don't you seem to get lowers the overall quality of living and makes it comparable to the third world? Not saying its actually third world, but the services you are getting for the cost makes it comparable. Just because the bay area has a few wealthy communities and overall higher pay does'nt mean anything. There are wealthy places everywhere and it does'nt mean anything to the average joe trying to make a living whether a place is wealthy or not.
The third world?

Are you kidding? The Bay Area's most dangerous and dilapidated section is NOTHING like the third world. East Oakland's worst would be considered wealthy and upscale by third world standards. Take it from someone in the third world.

By your definition, Manhattan is thirdworldish too. So is London, and Paris.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:31 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Where do you people get this stuff from. The population increase has slowed but has not reversed:

This one is interesting because last I heard in 2007 we were 36 million people. In '09 we are now 38 million?
1850 - 92,597
1860 - 379,994, a 410% increase over 1850
1900 - 1,485,053
1930 - 5,677,251
1950 - 10,586,223
1970 - 19,953,134
1990 - 29,760,021
2000 - 33,871,648
2009 - 38,292,687
California Population - The Population of California

Just select the county
- sacbee.com

Anyway, I cannot find stats for an overal decline in population. Just a slowing down and that is likely due to the economy.

I am done now, if some of you still insist on what you've said, have a party with one another, I'm done.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:33 AM
 
Location: California
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It's true that the BA is expensive but plenty of "average" people are quite happy here. I keep waiting for everyone to leave...the gardeners, small business owners, hairdressers, etc. because I hear of the mass exodus that is taking place. But so far nobody is going anywhere. In fact, my hairdresser is buying her first condo! She seems happy but who knows, perhaps she is secretly miserable and wishes she lived in Texas? But...but...wouldn't she just MOVE? Or at least ***** about the BA here on CF? HA!

I see a couple of really weird people posting on this thread and know there must be mental issues for them to take out their life's frustrations on an internet forum.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 12:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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It's true that the BA is expensive but plenty of "average" people are quite happy here. I keep waiting for everyone to leave...the gardeners, small business owners, hairdressers, etc. because I hear of the mass exodus that is taking place. But so far nobody is going anywhere. In fact, my hairdresser is buying her first condo! She seems happy but who knows, perhaps she is secretly miserable and wishes she lived in Texas? But...but...wouldn't she just MOVE? Or at least ***** about the BA here on CF? HA!

I see a couple of really weird people posting on this thread and know there must be mental issues for them to take out their life's frustrations on an internet forum.
Hey, just because I have mental issues doesn't mean I'm taking out my frustrations here.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 01:37 AM
 
Location: The Golden State
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Originally Posted by AliveandWell View Post
I can totally understand your frustration and I don't even live in San Francisco. I think CA in general is a very expensive and overpriced place to live, no doubt about it. I agree on the taxes because now our sales tax is 10% and it used to be 8.25% for years. However, I would not call SF a dump, as there are worse places. And yes, lots of people are leaving CA because it is just too expensive and not a business friendly state. It just costs too much to set up a business and this is why many firms are relocating their offices out of state.

As for the other things you mentioned, I won't comment on those because of obvious reasons.

Sorry you are so unhappy.. is it possible for you to relocate?
Not sure where you are from but the bay area is beautiful and SF is a world class city.
If you are not happy with the bay views, the culture, the diversity and the beautiful topography ..maybe you can find some place where you will be happier.
Good luck with that.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 01:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Gentoo View Post
Where do you people get this stuff from. The population increase has slowed but has not reversed:

This one is interesting because last I heard in 2007 we were 36 million people. In '09 we are now 38 million?
1850 - 92,597
1860 - 379,994, a 410% increase over 1850
1900 - 1,485,053
1930 - 5,677,251
1950 - 10,586,223
1970 - 19,953,134
1990 - 29,760,021
2000 - 33,871,648
2009 - 38,292,687
[URL="http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/californiapopulation.htm"]California Population - The Population of California[/URL]

Just select the county
[URL="http://www.sacbee.com/static/insite/slogin.html?goto=http%3A//www.sacbee.com/1098/story/1824374.html"]- sacbee.com[/URL]

Anyway, I cannot find stats for an overal decline in population. Just a slowing down and that is likely due to the economy.

I am done now, if some of you still insist on what you've said, have a party with one another, I'm done.
What don't you understand?

Every single city, with maybe the exception of Detroit has grown in population for the past decades.

The thing is, AMERICANS are moving out and not moving in. The only thing keeping the population figures high is immigration from outside of the United States and high birth rates.

Only people from the third world are moving here. Americans are leaving and aren't moving in.

Understand now?
 
Old 01-05-2010, 01:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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