Is San Jose a world class city? (San Francisco, Sunnyvale: universities, live in)

[bobby_guz_man]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

You're wrong. Parts of Silicon Valley include both San Mateo and Alameda counties. It's cute you want to pick and choose which parts of the Bay Area fit into your arbitrary definition of Silicon Valley, but it's much more complicated than you realize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley

NO. You are wrong. Silicon Valley was first originated in Santa Clara Valley during the semiconductor boom, and came of age in this Valley as well. Upper Peninsula and Alameda County has nothing to do with Silicon Valley.

Silicon Valley is a unique piece of history belonging to the South Bay/Santa Clara Valley specifically. Get the hell out with trying to claim it as your regions' HAHHAHAHA

[bobby_guz_man]

Originally Posted by BicoastalAnn

To me, world class = NYC, SF, Paris, London, Tokyo, etc.

SF is not even remotely comparable to NYC, Paris, London, or Tokyo. How ridiculous.

You are comparing SF, a tiny 7x7 city of 850,000 people to megacities whose city proper spans over hundreds of square miles, are populated with over 8 milion people each, and range from 300 years old to over a thousand years old, that have had multiple wars fought across their city land, and were, and still are, the true eminent centers of their respective nations for hundreds and thousands of years.

The bricks that made up the youngest museums in Paris and London are older than SF itself. The skyline of Tokyo and NYC makes SF's look like a child's ungainly sand castles.

Just like San Jose people should be happy with what the city is, and its place in the the universe, so should SF and its worshipers. To compare SF to the world's megacities is just ignorant folly.

[bobby_guz_man]

Originally Posted by ketch89

This thread is dumb, the Bay Area is an interconnected region that functions more or less like a single city.

We all live in Bay City.

The new City will be called Jose Francisco, and it will be immensely wealthy, and there will be rejoicing everywhere.

We'll probably have to figure out a way to cut Oakland and the northern half of Contra Costa counties out of our new City, though. Excluding them would drop our new City's crime rate drastically and would contribute to a Golden Age in the Bay

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

You're wrong. Parts of Silicon Valley include both San Mateo and Alameda counties.

Lol, no. Silicon Valley is Santa Clara County. Other parts of the Bay Area also have tech companies, yes. But Silicon Valley always has been and always will be Santa Clara County.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley

Read your own link,

Originally Posted by that link

Silicon Valley is a nickname for the southern portion of the San Francisco Bay Area [...] the word 'Valley' refers to the Santa Clara Valley, where the region has traditionally been centered

It does say that the southern peninsula and parts of the east bay are part of it, but that is only true if one interprets Palo Alto as being part of the peninsula, which is not correct. Palo Alto is in Santa Clara County. Stanford is a Silicon Valley cultural icon.

Nobody is going to mistake you as being from Silicon Valley if you claim that the peninsula and east bay are part of Silicon Valley.

San Francisco benefits from our presence, and we are definitely part of the Bay Area, since several parts of cities in Santa Clara County touch the San Francisco Bay. But Silicon Valley is a distinct region with a distinct culture and distinct history, and San Francisco is not part of it.

Let me ask you this, Oakland. If someone said "I live in Oakland. I live down the street from the Exploratorium," you would scratch your head in confusion, would you not? That's how bobby_guz_man, myself and others who grew up in Silicon Valley react to a claim that San Francisco, the peninsula or the east bay are in Silicon Valley.

[04kL4nD]

HockeyMac already pointed out that the media and other tech companies have expanded the definition of Silicon Valley to be other locations around the Bay Area over the past few years. Facebook, Twitter, Oracle, Yelp, Pixar, Salesforce, Electronic Arts, etc are NOT located in Santa Clara County- but I guess they don't fit your personal definition of SV (which seems to be the parts you pick and choose that are exclusively in Santa Clara County, or the Santa Clara Valley)

According to Wiki which has a separate entry for Santa Clara Valley:

Because so much high-tech industry has spread out from the Silicon Valley, Fremont and Newark, even though they are not in Santa Clara County, are often included in discussions about the Silicon Valley or, in the case of Fremont, is referred to as the Gateway to the Silicon Valley (a title also claimed occasionally by San Jose, Union City, and several other locations). Similarly, Palo Alto, while in Santa Clara County and considered part of Silicon Valley, is on the San Francisco Peninsula.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Valley

It's funny how you claim SJ isn't the same apple orchard town from the 1950s anymore and that it's a world class city, yet you refuse to acknowledge the perception of SV has, indeed, changed over the past few years.

The thing is that many people don't think of Silicon Valley as a place where people live- they see it as a place to work or do research. Yeah those tech companies are located in specific towns like Mountain View, or PA, or Sunnyvale, but people don't go out for drinks in "North Silicon Valley", they would simply just state the name of the town they are headed to. When I lived in Raleigh, Research Triangle Park, was the equivalent. People would go to work for IBM or Nortel or whatever company and they said "Oh, I work in RTP", but nobody ever said they LIVED there. They'd say they lived in Raleigh, or Cary, or Durham, or whatever TOWN/CITY they actually lived in. The greater region is called "The Triangle" and just like Silicon Valley, it has fluid borders that nobody really sat down and drew up on a map. Same deal with "Wall Street". Most people think of the stock exchange and businesses, but most people would say they live in lower or downtown Manhattan, although the neighborhood is becoming more and more vibrant after business hours these days.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by bobby_guz_man

Just like San Jose people should be happy with what the city is, and its place in the the universe, so should SF and its worshipers. To compare SF to the world's megacities is just ignorant folly.

Yes! People here should appreciate their community for what it is and what they like about it!

[sav858]

Per the GaWC San Jose is a Gamma ranked city along with the likes of Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

[the topper]

San Jose should be considered a true world class city: vibrant downtown, large population, being the capital of Silicon Valley, true and modern international airport, diversity, strong culture, lots of entertainment, great university(Stanford/San Jose St.), great shopping(Valley Fair/Santana Row and Stanford), several great stadiums/arena for sport teams and decent transportation system which is the second best, according to Brooking Inst. (future Bart by 2017 and light rail).

[the topper]

Originally Posted by sav858

Per the GaWC San Jose is a Gamma ranked city along with the likes of Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

That was over 10 years ago. When they really update and get their facts straight, it will be Beta!

[04kL4nD]

Nah. Gamma sounds about right. LOL