Is The South Bay/San Jose The Most Conservative in Bay Area? (Fresno: middle-class, insurance)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Fortunately, we don't have a surplus of SportyandMisty's around here in the South Bay. Stick a fork in that Fox News/Tea Party crap, or take it elsewhere, douchebag. Greed is not good, Mr. Gekko.

By the way, I agree that greed isn't good. But the reality is that most of us are. We notice it in others but not ourselves. And poor people can be just as greedy as rich people. They're just not as effective at the game.

[18Montclair]

The Bay Area must really irritate NeoCons because its the most leftist place in the state but its also the most prosperous.

How deliciously ironic.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

The Bay Area must really irritate NeoCons because its the most leftist place in the state but its also the most prosperous.

How deliciously ironic.

I don't know if you were referring to SportyandMisty or me. But I am NOT a "neocon". More like a libertarian. The Bay Area/California would be much more prosperous if it adopted more true free market policies. One of the reasons for the success of the Bay Area/Silicon Valley is because the technology industry is very competitive. If only our health care sector was as competitive as the tech industry!

[Radical347]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the list "analyzed voting patterns." I've seen the list when it was first out, and the sole criteria they used was ranking the biggest 238 cities by what percentage of people voted for Bush vs. Kerry in the 2004 election. Voting for president isn't necessarily a good indicator of how liberal or conservative a city is and 2004 was an especially inaccurate year for that. It'd be a bit more accurate to say Republican vs. Democrat as opposed to conservative vs. liberal.

Case in point. Detroit's #1 but who in their right mind would call Detroit 'the most liberal city in America'? Democrat, yes, but liberal...not really the first (or second, or third...) thing that comes to mind.

The OP also stopped the list at 74, which was misleading since there were 238 cities ranked. 74/238 isn't really conservative.

San Jose is more conservative than San Francisco or Berkeley...in other news, the sky's blue.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

The Bay Area must really irritate NeoCons because its the most leftist place in the state but its also the most prosperous.

How deliciously ironic.

Mysticalityger pretty much summed up the reason why. Even so, the higher cost of living in the bay demands higher salaries.

Saying the Bay Area is rich because of socialist/leftism is an oxymoron.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by Radical347

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The OP also stopped the list at 74, which was misleading since there were 238 cities ranked. 74/238 isn't really conservative.

San Jose is more conservative than San Francisco or Berkeley...in other news, the sky's blue.

In comparison to the rest of the Bay Area, yes it is relatively conservative.

(As a side note, note the inverse correlation of conservatism and crime rates with oakland at the top and san jose towards the bottom lol. Just an observation)

[windhoek7]

Originally Posted by Radical347

I wouldn't go so far as to say the list "analyzed voting patterns." I've seen the list when it was first out, and the sole criteria they used was ranking the biggest 238 cities by what percentage of people voted for Bush vs. Kerry in the 2004 election. Voting for president isn't necessarily a good indicator of how liberal or conservative a city is and 2004 was an especially inaccurate year for that. It'd be a bit more accurate to say Republican vs. Democrat as opposed to conservative vs. liberal.

Case in point. Detroit's #1 but who in their right mind would call Detroit 'the most liberal city in America'? Democrat, yes, but liberal...not really the first (or second, or third...) thing that comes to mind.

The OP also stopped the list at 74, which was misleading since there were 238 cities ranked. 74/238 isn't really conservative.

San Jose is more conservative than San Francisco or Berkeley...in other news, the sky's blue.

Right on, Arkansas & WV are heavily democratic states, but most people aren't liberals. And just because blacks in Detroit vote heavily democratic, don't mean that they are liberal (as someone arrogantly assumed in and earlier post) In fact, African-Americans are very "socially conservative." Case in point--many AA folks voted for the same sex amendment in CA, and they (blacks) got blamed by gays for doing it, remember? I live in Madison, WI. We're called "Berkeley Midwest" because we're so liberal--a lot more than blue collar Detroit. So why aren't we at the top of the list?
And I hate this term "fiscally conservative." What does that mean? So if you spend massive amounts on the military or give tax breaks to corporations, you're fiscal conservative? But if you want to increase spending on education & health-care, you're a "raging liberal" spender. In either of those choices, you're breaking the bank. So I wish people would stop with the labeling crap.

[windhoek7]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Many of the cities at the top of the list are home to the tax-consuming class of people: low income, high percentage use of welfare, food stamps & other public services, high unemployment, low human capital. They vote their pocketbook, and their pocketbook says don't cut public services.

What an arrogant racially insinuating comment. So the folks in those cities are the only ones using a higher % of public services? And the national debt was ran up by the folks in those cities? Or maybe was the debt ran up by the "tax-consuming" class of SS recipients, military industrial participants and corporations who set up tax shelters to avoid paying their "fair share" into the commons.

[windhoek7]

Originally Posted by BayDude

In comparison to the rest of the Bay Area, yes it is relatively conservative.

(As a side note, note the inverse correlation of conservatism and crime rates with oakland at the top and san jose towards the bottom lol. Just an observation)

Right observation, but wrong conclusion. I live here in Madison, and we're extremely liberal with an extremely low crime rate for a city of it's size compared to a conservative city like say, Fresno, Reno, Salt Lake, or most conservative cities in the South. And I do know that Canada is more liberal, or some would say "socialistic" than the US, yet we have a much much higher crime rate than Canada. Just an observation.

[WesternGulf]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

The hotbed of conservatism, morality and sanity is along the 680 corridor. Specifically pleasant hill (not concord) to pleasanton. Silicon Valley is a not far behind second. After that, just give up or move to good old placer county for some common sense.

Pleasonton in the last election voted along the same lines as the rest of the bay area. Probably not overwhelmingly liberal like marin, sf and northern alameda counties but still voted for obama and against the ban on same sex marriage. Just another suburb of the bay area that you cannot judge by its cover although the city did vote for Bush in the 2000 election.