06-04-2015, 04:29 PM
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In both of our last two house purchases the sellers realtor interjected an issue claiming it was something the seller wanted. In both instances, the requests didn't seem logical. The one in NJ had the seller wanting some ordinary fireplace andirons and a dehumidifier- but the seller already moved to another state, so the heavy stuff would have to be shipped to them. We caught the sellers realtor removing the items while we were in attorney review and demanded she return them. She did but still insisted the seller's wanted them. That was up in NJ. Here in FL there was some issue with the closing date.
Since we were already in attorney review, I told the attorney (both times) that if the sellers attorney mentioned these items/issues we would certainly agree. Guess what- never came up again.
06-04-2015, 04:34 PM
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Why would I want to talk to the guy who used to poop in the toilet? No thanks!
06-04-2015, 05:50 PM
Location: Venice, FL
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Realtors have it pretty tough in my opinion - not coal miner tough but still. Here's a few reasons why keeping them apart might be good:
-Realtors are part of large financial transactions which are fraught with emotion. The buyers and sellers might both have very strong characters that don't mesh.
-The seller has a huge incentive to bend the truth because they want to sell the house.
-It introduces an unknown factor which puts their earnings in jeopardy. When your income is 100% commission based, you really try to keep communications smooth. Doing weeks of legwork only to have your commission vanish must be discouraging.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
I kinda agree with all this. Last October we sold a house in the Atlanta area that had been on the market since May. The realtor brought numerous prospective buyers to our house, some multiple times. One couple stayed 2 hours, then in 2 weeks came back and brought their teens, and spend 2 more hours. We thought for sure they were gonna make an offer. Nope....never heard from them again, I saw time after time how the realtor has to spend evenings, weekends, and long days hauling people around while they just can't seem to make up their minds. Or now they've decided not to move after all. Or this would be the perfect house, if it weren't for that fan in the bedroom. Good grief.
Our realtor also defended us from overly aggressive buyers who wanted to make a ridiculous offer and have us throw in all kinds of things. She went to the buyers agent and had a long talk with her about not coming back with any more unrealistic offers.
She also put up with US while we went through the all the stages, starting with what we wanted to get for the house initially, and then lowering the price as reality started to creep in, and then lowering it again as the house in Florida approached the finished state, and then moving to Florida and leaving the house empty with a yet-lower price. Not to mention peeling us off the walls a couple of times when people took those lowered priced and tried to low-ball them anyway. Egad..it hurts again just thinking about all that.
I'm sure that keeping the buyers and sellers separate is a good idea....I might have punched a couple of those prospective buyers in the face, given the chance!
06-04-2015, 06:34 PM
Location: Palm Island and North Port
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I'll give an example with a home I sold to someone right here on this board. I wont name names though. We showed up at the home and the agent had just listed the home the day before and didn't have the lockbox on it yet so she said that the seller will be there. The seller is outback and he comes in and asks if we have any questions about the home and the seller and buyer make small talk, etc. The home was listed at a very competitive price and my buyer says to me that he wants to put an offer in on the home right away. So, we go write up the offer and then go for a second viewing the next day. Again, the seller is home and they talk more about the home, etc. They hit off great and the seller offers to take my buyer out on a fishing trip and they exchange numbers. My buyer decides that he's not going to get a home inspection. He's just going to have the seller walk him around and point out any issues with the home (selling at $800K).
A week or so later my buyer calls me and tells me that the seller told him that he is not leaving the fish cleaning table with the home like they had originally agreed upon. Then he tells him that he's decided to go ahead and take the window treatments that they spoke about. He doesn't know how to handle this because now they are "friends" and the seller is actually moving but in the same development. When we show up for the final walkthrough my buyer notices that the garage door is not functioning properly. If he would have opted for an inspection, this probably would have been caught. After my buyer moves in he finds a whole lot of things that aren't working and were skipped over.
This is just one example of problems that can arise from this situation. I'm fine with buyers and sellers talking but things can get a bit sticky. In my experience it's best to keep a buffer between a buyer and seller.
06-04-2015, 08:24 PM
Location: Rotonda Florida
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Why would I want to talk to the guy who used to poop in the toilet? No thanks!
Boy, I missed something there!
06-04-2015, 08:27 PM
Location: Rotonda Florida
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Man, in reading the replies I'm getting that there are more jerks out there than I anticipated.
I guess it's not a good idea but in our case it really worked. We're both reasonable apparently and it went great -
I've always been weird.
06-04-2015, 09:50 PM
Location: Sarasota/ Bradenton - University Pkwy area
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I read something back in 2009 that stuck in my mind. A research study concluded that real estate agents spend approximately one out of every six hours dealing with conflict of some sort.
Unlike most other types of business deals, the sale of a home can get very personal and emotional for the sellers and buyers, therefore real estate agents are very cautious about the parties talking directly with each other. That's because we agents have seen what can go wrong when buyers and sellers do so.
When a seller and buyer speak before an offer has been negotiated, it can often lead to one or both parties giving away information that can hurt their negotiating position if an offer is made. That's why listing agents do not want sellers speaking to buyers one on one at a showing appointment. Seller says something about the house they found and are moving to once they get a contract on this one. Sometimes the buyer actually misses the important information the seller unintentionally shared, but a good buyer's agent will pick up on it and clue the buyers in after the showing. Even an innocent sounding question such as "How long have you lived in this home?" or "Why are you moving?" can give away information that is later used against the seller in negotiating a purchase price. A casual comment can cost you money. And it's not always the seller spilling the beans. Enthusiastic buyers who tell sellers "they just love their home" can end up paying extra $$ to get that home because they showed their emotions up front to the sellers.
The "ban" on seller - buyer direct communications doesn't end when the contract is signed. Keeping communication funneled through the agents can be key to keeping a transaction together to closing. Sometimes a careless remark made by one party might be misinterpreted by the other, leading to conflict, and sometimes to the collapse of the contract. For example home inspections often are hot button situations for misunderstandings. Window coverings, washers & dryers, the fridge in the garage that wasn't mentioned in the contract can all trigger bad feelings between buyers and sellers.
I had a seller once threaten to cancel a deal because a young couple brought mom & dad along with them to the home inspection, then spent most of their time walking through the home discussing what changes they planned to make after closing. The seller, who had lived in the home for almost 40 years, was outraged that they were planning to make radical changes to "his" home.
By the way, some real estate attorneys in our area recommend sellers sign all closing documents in advance so they do not attend the actual closing to avoid any possibility of a conflict at the closing table.
Anyway, that's my take as a long time area agent as to why sellers and buyers normally should do their talking through the agents -- we know what can (and often does) go wrong if the advice is ignored.
06-05-2015, 03:30 AM
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Ha, this also reminds me of when my wife and I were house hunting in Sarasota and we went to an open house. The back of the house had a shared back lawn with other neighbors. We have a cute dog and would need some kind of fence for her. I mentioned that I might like to put up a fence for our dog. The lady selling the house said, "I don't think I'd sell the house to anyone who would put up a fence."
Her husband almost tackled her in taking her out of the room.
06-05-2015, 04:56 AM
Location: Lakewood Ranch, FL
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This is turning out to be an interesting thread. I thought it would be useful to add that no one, to my knowledge, teaches new real estate agents this stuff. I imagine it either occurs to them as common sense (if they are lucky) or they have a teachable moment somewhere along the way. Considering that so many of us have had the same experiences, I think it is safe to conclude that there are many, many people out there who have that tendency to, as I said before, shoot themselves in the foot either by action, inaction, talking too much, or simply taking the self-righteous indignation approach whereby they immediately want to prove something to the other party and that can range from being uncooperative to defaulting.
I know it looks to the outside world like we do very little (and to be honest there are some bad agents who through laziness or sloppiness don't do all they should) but there is a lot more than meets the eye and I think that's the way it should be. We perform a service and I don't think our customers need to know all the 'flare ups' that can be part of any deal. We are insulators and we do our best to keep any unnecessary stress from our customers.
06-05-2015, 05:11 AM
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BB hits the nail on the head........there are some bad lazy agents......................BUT there are also some awesomely good ones......................fortunately this board has (nearly) all the awesome great ones
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)