Red Tide that bad???

[NotEnufGarage]

I love how the enviro-whackos conflate Red Tide and Toxic Algae caused by Lake Okeechobee water releases.

They're two different phenomenon.

Red Tide begins 30 or 40 miles (or more) out in the Gulf and is pushed in by currents and wind, when salinity, temperature and other conditions are right. It has been documented as occurring for hundreds of years.

Blue (Toxic) Algae occurs when polluted water (fertilizer rich) is released from Lake Okeechobee, along the St. Lucie River and Caloosahatchee River, again, when temperature, salinity, and other factors are right. It's a fairly recent phenomenon caused by fertilizer and phosphate runoff, as well as septic and cattle discharge.

They both happen around the same time, because the temperature and salinity conditions for both are similar, but that doesn't mean there is a causal relationship between them. If anything, the relationship between them occurs way out in the Gulf, with the warm water causing Red Tide and also causing excess evaporation, which manifests as rain over Florida, which causes excess inflow to Lake Okeechobee, requiring water releases from Lake Okeechobee into the St. Lucie and Caloosahatchee waterways.

Oh, and California's worsening wildfires are not due to Globull Warming, they're due to the logging and milling industries in California being destroyed by the Spotted Owl hoax in the 1970's. Hundreds of thousands lost their livelihood and entire towns were turning into ghost-towns by that hoax that Governor Moonbeam Jerry Brown was only too happy to believe in. 40 years of no cutting and clearing has loaded up the forests with so much dead-fall fuel that they're literally a powder keg. Add the Pine Bark beetle to that and a couple dry summers and BOOM!

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by WRnative

According to this editorial, the red tide bloom had a significantly negative impact on the Sarasota County tourism economy in Q4 2018. Visitors were down 9 percent and their direct expenditures were down 7.5 percent, according to the editorial.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/opinio...tide-and-green



So you're predicting that a significant red tide or other toxic algal bloom won't take place in 2019 as the waters again begin to warm? Is that a wishful guess, or do you have some scientific evidence to back up your prediction?

So what if it was the County's tourism was down for Q4, its was up .6% for the year which is more imporotant than 3 months.

So far as 2019, ask Mother Nature.

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by NotEnufGarage

I love how the enviro-whackos conflate Red Tide and Toxic Algae caused by Lake Okeechobee water releases.

They're two different phenomenon.

Red Tide begins 30 or 40 miles (or more) out in the Gulf and is pushed in by currents and wind, when salinity, temperature and other conditions are right. It has been documented as occurring for hundreds of years.

Blue (Toxic) Algae occurs when polluted water (fertilizer rich) is released from Lake Okeechobee, along the St. Lucie River and Caloosahatchee River, again, when temperature, salinity, and other factors are right. It's a fairly recent phenomenon caused by fertilizer and phosphate runoff, as well as septic and cattle discharge.
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Amazing that you know so much more than even the paid-off scientists.......and the state.

https://phys.org/news/2018-09-red-ti...s-coastal.html

"In fact, FWC's web page clearly states that once red tides near shore, "they are capable of using man-made nutrients for their growth." And two days later, Mote environmental engineer Tracy Fanara tweeted a clarification saying lake releases could help sustain a bloom."

"The algae can also use nutrients flowing off land, he said. "So the lake run-off will not cause the red tide, but it can help sustain a red tide."

It really doesn't take much common sense to put together the fact that:
1. The Lake O releases contain vast amount of nutrients - some in the water itself, and some in the biomass of the Algae.

2. We KNOW the nutrients feed the Red Tide, that's not even in question. It's an open question as to the exact extend that DEAD "fresh water" Algae breaks down once it hits the Salt Water and adds to the mix.

However, I would think most of us know what if we pile up plants....they turn to COMPOST. What is compost? Oh, it's NUTRIENTS that can feed plant life.

This isn't rocket science. Even the groups studying it say it's not really too hard - EXCEPT that the State has pulled funding for actual mitigation and real research and instead feed propaganda out there which you seem to be repeating.

Saying "it's natural" is plain ridiculous. Everything is natural. Anthrax is natural. Talking about "natural" in that sense is not relevant. Air pollution is natural....radiation is natural, and so on.

It would be natural for all of us to go behind a tree and do our business. But it would make Red Tide worse, right?

[beach43ofus]

NotEnufGarage is correct. Red Tide (karenia brevis) and Blue/Green Algae (cyanobacteria) are 2 different organisms (note the different scientific names) that in this area emerge from different types of water. Red Tide in salt/brackish water, and Blue/Green in fresh water. Blue Green Algae does NOT give birth to Red Tide. It can feed pre-existing Red Tide however when it flows out from its fresh water home, and into salt water.

This was NotEnuf's point, if you go back and read his/her post.

Look what's happening in California:

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019...sick-dolphins/

The link states Dolphins could be getting killed by man-mad pollution being created in California.

Pollution is NOT party specific.