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Old 08-19-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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I knew you would say something, as you are on a mission to take the figures you have and use them to create an argument that supports your world view that we all should be masked. So, let us summarily dismiss your arguments that I need a mask after having a vaccination:

1. Your first point is that "86% unvaccinated are in hospitals." That only proves they should have been vaccinated. I agree. But your point does not suggest that the vaccinated need to wear masks to protect themselves. As to the point I wrote, your comment is irrelevant.
You came on here spoting misinformation as usual making the erroneous claim that vaccinations are 94% effective.

If you feel that the 14% of vaccinated Covid-19 people currently in SMH is no big deal that's your opinion - but IMO it's nothing to sneeze at and it's not exceedingly rare. If they're in the hospital it means they have more than a sniffle.

Also looking at the "big picture" - this is a public health crises and the main takeaway is that hospitals are being stressed and running out of space. IMO in such situations the best course of action is to act for the benefit of the public good - even if some might consider it a temporary inconvenience to do so. The main objective now should be to keep the hospitals and schools operational.

One last point - children under 12 are not allowed to be vaccinated yet. They have no choice and they are vulnerable to Covid-19. So adults being good citizens and being more cautious would directly help those that are more vulnerable now. And this would help the schools stay open by lowering the overall community spread. The main epidemiologist doctor at SMH recommends everyone mask up because the hospital is overloaded - but if you know better than him then good for you....

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Old 08-19-2021, 05:58 PM
 
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If 86% of hospitalized are unvaccinated at Sarasota Memorial, this does NOT mean that 14% of hospitalized are fully vaccinated. Some of the 14% could have had 1 shot only.
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Old 08-19-2021, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Sarasota/ Bradenton - University Pkwy area
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It seems that Sarasota Memorial Hospital has a high rate of Covid fatalities. It would be helpful to know the Covid fatalities at the other area hospitals for comparison purposes.


I know Blake Hospital in Bradenton has been offering access to monoclonal antibody treatments for months now:
https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/12/1...atment-covid-/

Would love to see a post from someone as to which local hospitals are offering what methods of treatment for Covid patients.
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Old 08-19-2021, 06:10 PM
 
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You came on here spoting misinformation as usual making the erroneous claim that vaccinations are 94% effective.

If you feel that the 14% of vaccinated Covid-19 people currently in SMH is no big deal that's your opinion - but IMO it's nothing to sneeze at and it's not exceedingly rare. If they're in the hospital it means they have more than a sniffle.

Also looking at the "big picture" - this is a public health crises and the main takeaway is that hospitals are being stressed and running out of space. IMO in such situations the best course of action is to act for the benefit of the public good - even if some might consider it a temporary inconvenience to do so. The main objective now should be to keep the hospitals and schools operational.

I love the tactic you use of accusing someone of misinformation. Vaccinations are still 94% effective within 6 months of preventing serious disease. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021...2921629302780/. You are the one who cites a fact or two that fail to support your statements.

It is really very simple. You think I should surrender my rights because someone else is asserting theirs. I don't. And our Constitution that sets the rules for our country is build on my principles.
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Old 08-19-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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It seems that Sarasota Memorial Hospital has a high rate of Covid fatalities. It would be helpful to know the Covid fatalities at the other area hospitals for comparison purposes.

I know Blake Hospital in Bradenton has been offering access to monoclonal antibody treatments for months now:
https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/12/1...atment-covid-/

Would love to see a post from someone as to which local hospitals are offering what methods of treatment for Covid patients.
SMH offers monoclonal antibody treatment. This treatment is outpatient and not for people sick enough to be hospitalized. Several area hospitals offer monoclonal antibody treatment as outpatient. I think Doctors Hospital in Sarasota offers it as well as Englewood Hospital in Englewood and Bayfront Health in Punta Gorda and perhaps Venice hospital(not 100% if Venice has it).


Best for someone to call the hospital first to check or ask their doctor which hospitals have it. A doctor needs to give referral before someone can get this treatment at the hospital anyway and doctors are supposed to give a referral for someone deemed high risk but I am not sure how strict they are about qualifications for being high risk. There is more than one manufacturer of Monoclonal antibody treatment for Covid.

Below link has a list of places to get covid monoclonal antibody treatment. A referral from a doctor is needed for most sites except the state run sites. The state run monoclonal antibody treatment clinics are very new and none at this time on the gulf side of Florida, though they have been adding new state clinics recently so it's likely the gulf side gets one or two soon.

It's an IV that is given one time I am pretty sure while sitting in a chair or perhaps on a cot, then the patient leaves.

No doctor referral needed for the state run sites, but the state run clinics check if the patient is 'high risk' before giving treatment. High risk means 65 and over, diabetes or other health conditions, obese or perhaps overweight (check their BMI requirement), possibly smokers.

Link for Monoclonal Antibody treatment centers. They give the IV as outpatient.

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/treatment/

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Old 08-19-2021, 06:21 PM
 
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It seems that Sarasota Memorial Hospital has a high rate of Covid fatalities. It would be helpful to know the Covid fatalities at the other area hospitals for comparison purposes.
Deaths in Florida hospitals over the past 10 days (from the Health & Human Services agency):

[{"new_covid":"2363","deaths_covid":"267","date":"2 021-08-19T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2372","deaths_covid":"268","date":" 2021-08-18T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2793","deaths_covid":"241","date":" 2021-08-17T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2187","deaths_covid":"251","date":" 2021-08-16T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2088","deaths_covid":"231","date":" 2021-08-15T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2281","deaths_covid":"221","date":" 2021-08-14T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2389","deaths_covid":"227","date":" 2021-08-13T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2352","deaths_covid":"222","date":" 2021-08-12T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2380","deaths_covid":"215","date":" 2021-08-11T00:00:00.000"}
,{"new_covid":"2328","deaths_covid":"201","date":" 2021-08-10T00:00:00.000"}

source:
https://t.co/2QsvWUCqGW?amp=1

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Old 08-19-2021, 08:24 PM
 
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Florida parents’ lawsuit challenging DeSantis’ school mask limits set for trial

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/...al/8202926002/

TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Ron DeSantis was dealt another setback Thursday in his push to ban mask requirements in Florida schools when a judge refused to dismiss a lawsuit filed by parents challenging the order.

Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper rejected arguments by an attorney for the governor that the parents from a half-dozen counties lacked legal standing to stop the state action. The case now is scheduled to go to trial Monday.

“These parents and children have a right to have their case heard in court,” Cooper said.

He cautioned, though, that his ruling “does not indicate I’ve decided anything” about whether DeSantis overreached with his no-mandatory-mask order, which is the central argument from the parents.
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Old 08-19-2021, 08:36 PM
 
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It seems that Sarasota Memorial Hospital has a high rate of Covid fatalities. It would be helpful to know the Covid fatalities at the other area hospitals for comparison purposes.
Lee Health, the big hospital in Fort Myers/Lee County, FL - had 11 Covid deaths in the past day and has between 500-600 Hospitalized Covid patients right now.

Below news article from 3 days ago said 9 people died that day and 557 Covid inpatients at Lee Health Hospital, including 86 in ICU and 58 on ventilators. They might need to use the cafeteria and hallway for patients.

https://www.winknews.com/2021/08/16/...-557-patients/


COVID numbers continue to surge in Southwest Florida hospitals. Emergency rooms are overcrowded and Healthcare workers are overworked.
Soon patients could end up staying in hallways or the cafeteria, as the situation worsens and cases continue to climb...

“We are seeing them come into our ICU and require breathing tubes within hours of arrival. We are seeing them on our max ventilators setting,” Kingery said. “We are turning them from their backs onto their stomachs for prone positioning, help their oxygenation but this is very physically demanding.”
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Old 08-20-2021, 12:02 AM
 
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Lee Health, the big hospital in Fort Myers/Lee County, FL - had 11 Covid deaths in the past day and has between 500-600 Hospitalized Covid patients right now.

Below news article from 3 days ago said 9 people died that day and 557 Covid inpatients at Lee Health Hospital, including 86 in ICU and 58 on ventilators. They might need to use the cafeteria and hallway for patients.

https://www.winknews.com/2021/08/16/...-557-patients/


COVID numbers continue to surge in Southwest Florida hospitals. Emergency rooms are overcrowded and Healthcare workers are overworked.
Soon patients could end up staying in hallways or the cafeteria, as the situation worsens and cases continue to climb...

“We are seeing them come into our ICU and require breathing tubes within hours of arrival. We are seeing them on our max ventilators setting,” Kingery said. “We are turning them from their backs onto their stomachs for prone positioning, help their oxygenation but this is very physically demanding.”
Delta variant starts in nasal/sinus and stays longer before moving to lungs unlike SARS-CoV initial that moved to lungs ASAP.
It just takes little more time for Delta infected to trip into pneumonia phase but apparently enough of them get there, especially if unvaxed

Currently new rule in DFW TX area allows ICU drs to use CoVid vax status in evaluating triage treatment for ICU patients
Doesn’t sound good for unvaxed in the care lottery
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Old 08-20-2021, 10:09 AM
 
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FWIW, the Sarasota County schools are allowing only results from the Ellume at home CoVid test to be used for employees and students…
I ordered some from WalMart.com even though we have BinoxNOW kits at hand..
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