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Old 03-16-2020, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Lakewood Ranch, FL
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So do you think these "guidelines" Trump announced today will have much effect in this area if they're not made "manadatory"? I dunno this might seem cynical but from what I've seen a lot of snowbirds are not willing to curb their dining activities and a lot of restaurants not wanting to forego $$$ profits.....
I don’t know what is right in this case. Statistically viewed, mandatory lockdowns by the federal authority seems like over kill but, OTOH, articles like the one I posted, clearly demonstrate the need for overkill now rather than catch-up later. I think the guidelines are really intended to give the states political cover for doing what’s right while preserving state sovereignty. To answer your question, though, I don’t trust that all people will view the seriousness of a highly contagious virus appropriately. If what we’ve been told is accurate, these reckless people endanger all of us, as they always do.
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Old 03-16-2020, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Venice, FL
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I know as fact, that a person who had been told to quarrantine themselves for 14 days (after returning from a cruise) did not.

This person was seen at a community swimming pool just days after returning from the cruise.

Some people will not do the right thing.
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Old 03-17-2020, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Lakewood Ranch, FL
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Just saw a news story about a KY man who tested positive but refused to self-quarantine. Now he has a LEO outside his home to keep him from endangering others.
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Old 03-17-2020, 07:41 AM
 
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Self Entitlement in America /sigh
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Old 03-17-2020, 09:37 AM
 
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Just saw a news story about a KY man who tested positive but refused to self-quarantine. Now he has a LEO outside his home to keep him from endangering others.

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...7z4-story.html



States need legislation to apprehend, fine and incarcerate those who refuse to self-quarantine. At a minimum, make them wear home monitoring devices. These individuals may be killing persons by refusing to self quarantine.


Social distancing isn't sufficient to mitigate this epidemic.


In South Korea, with the world's highest rate of testing, high-tech social shaming is being used to encourage self-quarantine compliance with apparently excellent results.


See post 27 here.


https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio...19-ohio-3.html


BTW, given the exponential rate of infection growth posed by the COVID-19 virus, I wonder what the impact will be of the decision by Florida, Illinois and Arizona to continue with their primary elections today. See post 3 here.



https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio...are-about.html


NY Governor Andrew Cuomo yesterday warned that he feared that NY, like Italy, would soon see its hospitals overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. As in most states, 80 percent of NY's ICU beds already are occupied by non-COVID-19 patients.


https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03...-andrew-cuomo/


White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birz was interviewed on "CBS Evening News" last evening.


<<Well, we can see an example of that. You know, Italy was slow to introduce these guidelines. It's very much like Dr. [Anthony] Fauci said today, if you're not uncomfortable, if you're not really putting together and asking for sacrifice, you're gonna get behind the virus. And if you get behind a pandemic — this virus is about two to three times more contagious than flu — and so that's why we want everybody to do everything they can. >>


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-h...ew-2020-03-16/


I hadn't before heard that COVID-19 was "two to three times more contagious than flu."


I also saw clips on the cable networks last evening of open Florida beaches filled with sun seekers. Hopefully, the sun's UV rays makes this pretty safe, but the comments were essentially what is going on in Florida given its rate of COVID-19 cases and even deaths. Holding the primaries today in Florida and Illinois suggests that even several American governors don't understand what lies ahead in the next several weeks.


I wonder how many Floridians will vote today. It may be a great indication of the public's appreciation of the risk involved by non self-quarantining. Will Florida poll workers sanitize voting machines/materials between each voter? Will poll workers even show up, especially if they are elderly with pre-existing conditions, especially as Biden and Trump likely are heavy favorites to win their respective primary elections.
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Old 03-17-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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I hadn't before heard that COVID-19 was "two to three times more contagious than flu."
I think there is a lot that people don't know and/or aren't being told about it. What I find interesting is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of mention about the Chinese scientists who were ousted from the National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, Canada last July. See https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tion-1.5211567

There was brief mention of a correlation between two things in late January, but only to shoot it down as a conspiracy theory. But as they say - where there's smoke, there's fire. Even that article (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...racy-1.5442376) mentions kernels of truth, though:

Kernels of truth in disinformation
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is a medical doctor and virologist from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Qiu is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work. She helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016.

Her husband Keding Cheng works at the Winnipeg lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

One month later, CBC discovered that scientists at the NML sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on an Air Canada flight March 31. The Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed. PHAC will not confirm if the March 31 shipment is part of the RCMP investigation.


AND....if you have been reading anything about COVID-19, it's got some noted similarities to things like HIV, Ebola, etc. (https://www.salon.com/2020/02/27/why...coronaviruses/) and they have actually been using HIV drugs to treat some cases from the sounds of it (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-w...241249596.html).

According to https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...na-1.5307424):

Xiangguo Qiu — who was escorted out of the Winnipeg lab in July amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described by Public Health Agency of Canada as a possible "policy breach" — was invited to go to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time.

So it could very well be a coincidence - this Chinese couple, with backgrounds in SARS, Ebola, HIV, etc. got booted from a level 4 Canadian lab after sending things to China and spent time at the Wuhan lab. They wouldn't have to be "spies" as the one thing was claiming. Plenty of well-meaning people can easily get caught up in stuff, whether they realize it or not. Plus, does everyone forget about how we just had a run of Chinese nationals getting busted on US military bases? I also read something else that mentioned you don't hear anything about those pesky Hong Kong protesters with coronavirus in full swing. Plus, the market where all of this supposedly originated from is near the level 4 lab and there's been a history of people profiting by selling those lab animals at the market according to this: https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-b...ed-from-a-lab/. And now with the Chinese trying to blame the US for it (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/polit...rus/index.html), it really makes you wonder what China's trying to cover up. In light of everything going on now, I think we should be concerned about all these labs around the world and how things meant for good can easily be turned around and used to potentially attack.
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Old 03-17-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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I think there is a lot that people don't know and/or aren't being told about it. What I find interesting is...


Can we keep the conspiracy theories that have nothing to due with Florida off this forum please? Better places to have that discussion if you like.
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Old 03-17-2020, 01:13 PM
 
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Well the governor finally took some action in Florida - although it fell short of tougher restrictions in other states.

(By the way the Herald Tribune has removed it's paywall because of coronavirus - so everyone can read the full article from the link below. I just posted the highlights here.) :

Coronavirus Florida: Governor closes bars, limits restaurants and beach gatherings
https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/2...ach-gatherings

Bars and night clubs will be closed for at least 30 days

Gov. Ron DeSantis shutdown bars across Florida Tuesday, ended classroom instruction at universities for the semester, ordered a limit of 10 people at beach gatherings and restricted restaurant occupancy to 50 percent, the most aggressive actions by the state so far to contain the coronavirus.

The moves were taken on a day when the number of Florida coronavirus cases increased to 192 and it was revealed that the virus had found its way into a Broward County assisted living facility and killed a 77-year-old man, an ominous sign in a state with many frail seniors in such facilities who are especially vulnerable to COVID-19, the disease caused by this coronavirus.
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Old 03-17-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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Well I suppose this is some good news? Every American adult could get a $1000 check from the government as part of a massive stimulus package to help the economy. As reported in the Washington Post:

https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
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Old 03-17-2020, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio/Sarasota
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I didn't want to start a new thread, but wanted some input on our situation. My wife and I are teachers in Ohio and we are closed until (at least) April 3. We own a condo in SRQ and was thinking of bivouacking there instead of Ohio for the duration. At least there we could get some sunshine, not like the current gloomy Ohio weather. There seems to be currently less restrictions in Florida (I am not sure that is a positive, though). A concern I have is the ability to get back to Ohio, IF they start school again. Also, I am 62 and my wife is younger, but has a somewhat compromised immune system; so we are both technically in the high risk group. Thoughts? Anything we are not thinking of?
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