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Old 04-04-2021, 02:12 PM
 
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Collier and Lee counties have higher red tide numbers south of Sarasota County and now the former Piney Point phosphate plant in Manatee has a leak of polluted process water north of our area. It’s looking like an environmental disaster with discharges going into Tampa Bay causing possible algae blooms if it continues.
They are pumping 33 million gallons a day since Thursday into Manatee Bay, this is going to be very bad even if the reservoir doesn't collapse. That amount of phosphorous and nitrogen will certainly have an impact degrading the bay. They evacuated 300 residences and moved everything in the Manatee County Jail to the second floor in the jail, it could be a 20 feet wall of water if it breaks.

Very poor environmental record all around Florida killing off fish and other marine life, completely over developed, over farmed. Lake Okeechobee and other bodies of water were covered in green algae last year, just a matter of time before they have a huge disaster.

Red tide is becoming a way of life in Collier and Lee counties. Those in charge need to be held accountable.
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Old 04-04-2021, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Venice, FL
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They are pumping 33 million gallons a day since Thursday into Manatee Bay, this is going to be very bad even if the reservoir doesn't collapse. That amount of phosphorous and nitrogen will certainly have an impact degrading the bay. They evacuated 300 residences and moved everything in the Manatee County Jail to the second floor in the jail, it could be a 20 feet wall of water if it breaks.

Very poor environmental record all around Florida killing off fish and other marine life, completely over developed, over farmed. Lake Okeechobee and other bodies of water were covered in green algae last year, just a matter of time before they have a huge disaster.

Red tide is becoming a way of life in Collier and Lee counties. Those in charge need to be held accountable.
Those in charge now are not the ones to be held accountable. Those in charge for the past 60 years are the guilty parties. They allowed the sugar cane farming and phosphate mining to proliferate in South Florida.

Also to blame are the environmentalists who forced the government to dig canals from Lake O to the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic ocean to drain the Lakes overflow, rather than letting the Everglades filter it naturally.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:02 PM
 
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Those in charge now are not the ones to be held accountable. Those in charge for the past 60 years are the guilty parties. They allowed the sugar cane farming and phosphate mining to proliferate in South Florida.

Also to blame are the environmentalists who forced the government to dig canals from Lake O to the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic ocean to drain the Lakes overflow, rather than letting the Everglades filter it naturally.
This^^^.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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Even if it is not their fault (it is not). we do need to hold them accountable to fix it. The politicians of decades gone are not going to fix anything. They are elected to deal with exactly these types of issues and ensure every step is taken to ensure it does not happen again, if possible.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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is this going to kill our summer vacationers from coming if we have a bad outbreak like we did in the summer of 2018 from that blue green algae?

If this whole thing collapses I wonder how bad it will be here in SWFL, how much of it will work its way down.
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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Those in charge now are not the ones to be held accountable. Those in charge for the past 60 years are the guilty parties. They allowed the sugar cane farming and phosphate mining to proliferate in South Florida.

Also to blame are the environmentalists who forced the government to dig canals from Lake O to the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic ocean to drain the Lakes overflow, rather than letting the Everglades filter it naturally.
This has been going on for decades but has gotten worse over time and they have done nothing. Sugar cane south of lake Okeechobbee along with the creation of a dam have prevented the natural flow into the everglades robbing it of needed fresh water and dumping nutrient rich water into the gulf. Non-stop development in the south Florida also has a hand in the demise, does a building permit ever get denied. The environment takes a back seat to development and agriculture.

The company responsible for this spill needs to be held accountable.
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Old 04-06-2021, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Venice, FL
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This has been going on for decades but has gotten worse over time and they have done nothing. Sugar cane south of lake Okeechobbee along with the creation of a dam have prevented the natural flow into the everglades robbing it of needed fresh water and dumping nutrient rich water into the gulf. Non-stop development in the south Florida also has a hand in the demise, does a building permit ever get denied. The environment takes a back seat to development and agriculture.

The company responsible for this spill needs to be held accountable.
The company that once mined phophate there and created the mess is long gone. The holding company that owned it for the past 10+ years has filed bankrupcy. The politicians who allowed it all have long been gone.

There is nobody left to hold accountable, so taxpayers will be soaked to pay for it all.

But, will we learn our lesson? NO! Mosaic moved from Minnesota to Florida recently to ramp up the pollution of our state, and payoff our politicians. They've expanded operations twice in the past 5 years.

They just expanded operatios right next door to this areas primary water source...right...next...door on adjacent land.

I wrote the County and the State, and posted the reply in a different thread that is easily found. That response lists a persons name and email address.

How many of us will write to demand Mosiac cease operations on that adjacent property?

Its time to stop talking, and start doing something about our areas environmental future. Piney Point is our wake up call. Our water resevoire will be destroyed by Mosaic, its just a matter of when.

I cannot make it any easier on you than this:

Department is a public record that is available through our online document management system or by request. If you would like to request documents regarding a specific mine, please email your request to MiningAndMitigation@dep.state.fl.us or call 850-245-8616.
Radiation in Florida is regulated by the Florida Department of Health (FDOH) under Chapter 404, F.S. The FDOH oversees an important environmental monitoring program for phosphate mining that requires pre-mining and post-mining radiological monitoring. The FDOH also administers the statewide radiation protection program in Florida. For information on radiation and phosphate mining, please contact the Bureau of Radiation Control at RadiationControl@FLHealth.gov, 407-297-2096.
I hope this has addressed some of your concerns regarding the permitting of mining. Thank you for your sincere interest in these matters and for taking the time to contact us. If you have any questions on phosphate mining and related regulations in Florida, please feel free to contact Orlando Rivera at Orlando.Rivera@floridadep.gov."
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Old 04-06-2021, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Venice, FL
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I'll let you all know if, and when, I get a response to my email below to Mr. Rivera at the Florida Department of Environmental Protection:


Mr. Rivera,

The current Piney Point disaster is a wake-up call to residents who rely upon the Lake Manatee water reservoir for fresh water in our area.

If I am not mistaking, doesn’t Mosaic have a phosphate mining operation within very close proximity to our primary water source?

If so, who approved this, and how can it be stopped?

Thank you

Concerned Resident
Venice, Florida
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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Default Oh nooooo!

We are planning to come again in June...red tide would ruin our plans. We go mostly to Lido beach. How is it there right now?
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Old 04-20-2021, 10:02 AM
 
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Rookie question...How often does the red tide come in and does it usually stay long?
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