10-06-2022, 05:18 PM
Location: Free State of Florida
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Can you imagine the home heating bills those folks will have up there this Winter? Oh my.
They could leave and set their thermostats at 45 degrees, instead of 75, and use the savings to pay for a good part of their Florida stay.
They are still coming here, bank on it. Of course, they'll avoid the storm ravaged areas, which will increase the numbers of people elsewhere throughout the state.
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One of the main dictionaries defines a snowbird as a person who vacations in or moves to a warmer climate during cold weather. Nothing mentioned about length of time spent in the warmer climate.
According to the Farmer's Almanac, winter for much of the Midwest and along the East Coast will be "shivery and snowy." The eastern half of the U.S. can expect potentially record-breaking cold to define the season.
This frigid forecast extends to the Deep South and Texas.
Winter temperatures will be colder than normal across much of the country between the East Coast and Rockies.
Snowfall will be greater than normal from central New England through northern North Carolina, from the Lower Great Lakes and the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys into the southern Plains, from the northern Plains into eastern Washington, and across the higher terrain of the southern Rockies and California.
Freezing temperatures will also bring above-average snow totals to most areas in the eastern U.S. that typically experience snowfall.
If the almanac comes close to being right on their predictions for the winter of 2022 - 2023, snowbirds will be flocking to warmer places such as FL, regardless of Ian. Snow and bone chilling cold have a way of motivating people.
10-06-2022, 05:55 PM
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Snow birds typically own a house down here or stay with relatives or camp in an RV or tent for several months. They live here. A tourist stays in a hotel usually for a week or two.
But I have to second the statement people are already moving out of this area. I have been here my whole life never seen anything like it. The past year or two almost every working person I talk to is moving out of here for a variety of reasons but the huge increase in rent and overcrowding is the big one. At the same time we have record breaking numbers of people moving in and massive building.
They have always paid poverty wages here and treat their workers like garbage but there's always new suckers just turning 16 and entering the work force or new people moving down so they stay staffed. Yet it all changed recently. Every restaurant I go to is so short handed they have to close on certain days or dining room closed sometimes just a massive labor shortage like I have never seen. Yes it's everywhere in the USA but it's much worse here around port Charlotte and south Florida. They had to offer teachers free housing in fort Myers because teachers couldn't even afford to live here.
I just think two things will happen. The housing market will have to go down at some point and the population growth will have to taper off. Wages will have to rise but Florida hates paying people a living wage so they might find a way out of that.
A lot of people don't know Chinese people all buy real estate as a sort of retirement plan. They build apartments in China that are empty. No one lives in them they just sell the apartments as investments. Well their real estate market collapsed. Now the richer Chinese are buying up Florida driving up a housing bubble here on top of the new yorkers and Californians moving here. But they also drive it up in California.
10-06-2022, 06:12 PM
Location: Amelia Island/Rhode Island
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I think a lot of those tourists or snowbirds headed for the area IAN devastated have already started inquiring for dates elsewhere.
We have a friend who works for the Omni here on Amelia Island and they have already had inquires and have received reservations from those that had reservations on Sanibel. We do get cool here in the winter though.
Years ago when the gulf suffered the oil spills we were slammed with tourists.
It is going to be tough for those areas hit by IAN, first COVID-19 then finally when things start getting back to to normal this happens.
10-06-2022, 09:23 PM
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I wonder how long people must stay in Florida to be considered Snow Birds, and not tourists?
I think of tourists as people who stay 1 day upto 6 weeks, 6 weeks being mostly Europeans....remember them?
Tourism will suffer in the Ian ravaged areas, but some snow birds will return if their place down here is okay.
People relocating to Florida full time will just keep coming, but the rate will slow a bit for a while. Not just due to Ian, but also for economic reasons...inflation, recession, stock market dip, & interest rates for those who need a mortgage.
Also got to factor in how many might just leave as well, especially the newer ones who never lived in a hurricane prone area.
I got neighbors down the street who leave whenever a storm approaches. They lived on the east coast during the 2004 season and got hit by Jeanne and Frances. They literally have PTSD from it and got out of dodge when Ian came. Their house from Ian needs a new roof now. They freak out whenever there is a hurricane out there. They're from FL however so it's not likely they will move.
Now many of the snowbirds who have manufactured homes down here will be another story from Venice on down to Naples. Many of them didn't get tossed around like Andrew or Charley because they're secured better but many of them also were heavily damaged with their roofs peeled back like a can of soup or walls blown out. Might have lost those snowbirds by the thousands for this season.
lets say next year a similar storm hits SW Florida once again like a cat4 and does tremendous damage.
What do you think of the future of SWFL if two or three years in a row it's ravaged by major hurricanes that produce massive storm surge like Ian?
The 1920s thru 1940s were some nasty hurricane seasons for Florida. If we had that today FL would be locked in an economic depression. Probably would be a rural state with mostly tourist stuff like hotels. SEFL got pounded a lot.
Excluding the 2004 hurricane season, Florida has been very lucky since the mid 1960s.
10-15-2022, 01:19 PM
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Tourism efforts resume in Sarasota-Manatee after Hurricane Ian
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/...an/8166914001/
"As Southwest Florida begins the long recovery process from Hurricane Ian, tourism officials in Sarasota and Manatee counties are working to make sure visitors know the area is open for business.
Although most of the region's major tourist attractions were spared from Ian's devastation — with a few notable exceptions, like the Venice Theatre — it's tough to explain that to potential visitors, who see images of a wrecked Fort Myers Beach on their television screens and social media feeds."
10-15-2022, 01:47 PM
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Now many of the snowbirds who have manufactured homes down here will be another story from Venice on down to Naples. Many of them didn't get tossed around like Andrew or Charley because they're secured better but many of them also were heavily damaged with their roofs peeled back like a can of soup or walls blown out. Might have lost those snowbirds by the thousands for this season.
Here's an example of a mobile home park in Englewood that got hit hard.
Englewood mobile home park destroyed after Ian
https://www.winknews.com/2022/10/13/...yed-after-ian/
"Mobile Gardens in Englewood was hit hard by Hurricane Ian. Most of the 240 mobile homes there are totaled or have significant damage.
It’s enough for some to think they can never rebuild and that it’s perhaps time to move on. But the community is now rallying around one another, keeping everyone fed, clean and full of hope."
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10-16-2022, 06:28 AM
Location: Free State of Florida
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What I'm scared of!! My business is in ft myers so even if its up and running by December I'm basically f*cked because of ft myers beach, naples, etc. No spring breakers!!
Could be a 2 year thing too.
Move it to another flea market further North...Red Barn in Bradenton gets great foot traffic.
10-16-2022, 01:05 PM
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Remember, hurricane season ain't over - then there is next year, the year after that, and so on...
It's going to take more than 2 years for most of the area to recover, and housing has SLOWED tremendously throughout the nation.
All of these markets are poised for a backoff if not a correction ...just based on rates, construction costs, labour problems, and just "time" to build or re-build.
I've been hearing the wait for roofs is a year-plus. It was 4-7 months pre-hurricane. People will be waiting 2 years for a roof???
10-16-2022, 08:59 PM
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I've been hearing the wait for roofs is a year-plus. It was 4-7 months pre-hurricane. People will be waiting 2 years for a roof???
Neighbors down the street lived on the East coast in 2004 when Jeanne and Frances hit. Took them a year to get a roof. Then again FL was hit by 4 storms that year.
A couple people in my sub division already got new roofs! Can't see how insurance approved in that fast unless they had 20k cash to fork over.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)