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Old 08-01-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Two arrested in beating death of teen | HeraldTribune.com |

Was it worth it? I'm sitting here and shaking my head in disbelief. It probably wouldn't touch me as much if i didn't know the kid who got killed.
Me and my son, 17, will be attending Vigil that will be held today at 8pm.


Weekend before, i took away my son's keys from his car and he is now grounded due to not coming home one night, because he was having too much fun partying with his friends that he forgot to come home??

There is a lesson to be learned. I hope he realizes that it could have been anyone, any of his friends, even him. Alcohol does't go well with 17 year old brain.

This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, FL
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Two arrested in beating death of teen | HeraldTribune.com |

Was it worth it? I'm sitting here and shaking my head in disbelief. It probably wouldn't touch me as much if i didn't know the kid who got killed.
Me and my son, 17, will be attending Vigil that will be held today at 8pm.


Weekend before, i took away my son's keys from his car and he is now grounded due to not coming home one night, because he was having too much fun partying with his friends that he forgot to come home??

There is a lesson to be learned. I hope he realizes that it could have been anyone, any of his friends, even him. Alcohol does't go well with 17 year old brain.

This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
This is a very sad thing and it should never, ever, ever have happened.
Those boys were under the inflence of a legal drug.
This is my opinion only but alcohol doesn't belong on store shelves PERIOD!!
It's nothing more than a legal drug that alters minds and look what it has done to these 3 young lives.
It's a pity, a shame and a crime. May God be with them all.
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:42 PM
 
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It is absolutely disgusting.
Alcohol does not change a person...If anything it magnified what deep seeded problems these ruthless individuals already had. You can not blame the use of alcohol for what transpired. If they take a closer look at these two criminals backgrounds, I'll bet there is some sort of anti-social or sociopathic behavior.
A decent individual, drunk or sober, is not going to viciously kick and beat a person laying defenseless on the ground.
I hope they get maximum sentences.
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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It is absolutely disgusting.
Alcohol does not change a person...If anything it magnified what deep seeded problems these ruthless individuals already had. You can not blame the use of alcohol for what transpired. If they take a closer look at these two criminals backgrounds, I'll bet there is some sort of anti-social or sociopathic behavior.
A decent individual, drunk or sober, is not going to viciously kick and beat a person laying defenseless on the ground.
I hope they get maximum sentences.
I agree.

With kids of this age, one thing you CAN blame is the parents!! If nothing else, that is the #1 thing to blame.
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, FL
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I agree.

With kids of this age, one thing you CAN blame is the parents!! If nothing else, that is the #1 thing to blame.
Parents are always the blame.
Raise them right, they grow up right. Let them walk all over you, well, guess what? They walk all over not only you but everyone because they didn't have any discipline.
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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Parents are always the blame.
Raise them right, they grow up right. Let them walk all over you, well, guess what? They walk all over not only you but everyone because they didn't have any discipline.



yeah, and these weren't those pesky 'Mexican gang-bangers' that everybody

worries about in 'Bradenton'....


These were you fine, upstanding lilywhites of fine lilywhite Sarasotan parents ...

weren't they ?
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:37 PM
 
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This is a very sad thing and it should never, ever, ever have happened.
Those boys were under the inflence of a legal drug.
This is my opinion only but alcohol doesn't belong on store shelves PERIOD!!
It's nothing more than a legal drug that alters minds and look what it has done to these 3 young lives.
It's a pity, a shame and a crime. May God be with them all.
Let us not become side tracked from the event at hand but have you heard about how unsuccessful prohibition was. Kind of like the war against drugs, or terror.
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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There is no question that these young men must be held accountable for their actions, but for anyone who has ever been young, angry, and in a fight, this could have been you, either dead or in handcuffs.
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Old 08-03-2008, 09:35 AM
 
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There is no question that these young men must be held accountable for their actions, but for anyone who has ever been young, angry, and in a fight, this could have been you, either dead or in handcuffs.




Nay, it 'could not' have been just 'anybody' who may have been young,

angry or in a fight.......


Some kids have GOOD parents...with ethics, standards, morals, and

some common sense.


This is clearly different....this is no more 'lapse of judgment' or

youthful indiscretion
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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I attribute a lot of this to alcohol consumption. Do you think if kids were sober any of this could have happened?? May be, just may be, they would fight, like kids do, and leave, i can expect cuts, bruises, broken jaws, black eyes, etc.... I would never expect fatality.
No matter what kind of parent you are, it's not that easy to control teens this days. There is a lot of influence from the outside, peer pressure, fake ID's to buy alcohol, people who don't care and sell alcohol to minors, adults buying alcohols for miners, you name it.....
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