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Old 01-14-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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As a reader of this thread, I a not in a position to answer the OP's question directly...but I do have related questions of my own after reading several opinions expressed here.

Doe the fact that a city or area in this blessed USA have a huge Christian population make that place a bad place? Are Christians an anathema to civilization and progress? Is a place considered beautiful and desirable if it is occupied only by those espousing liberal or agnostic points of view?
Trust me Detroit is not beautiful or desirable.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: North Port, FL
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Is a place considered beautiful and desirable if it is occupied only by those espousing liberal or agnostic points of view?
No, of course not. That would be heaven, but I don't believe in heaven.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda
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yeah - I picked up on it. And they (Islam) already have the majority. Let the leaders of the various denominations quivel before they figure it out... Christians are a shrinking minority and trying to speak from a secular point of view, I can't see that being a good thing on a community, to have a highly moral group downsizing.
Consider that Christians have an average of 3.6 children per family vs the 8.1 for Muslims families (worldwide), Islam may even overtake Christianity in numbers much earlier than the predicted 49 years at the pace which Christians become more apathetic vs Muslims who are dedicated and view their faith as appealing and important.

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Old 01-14-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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No, of course not. That would be heaven, but I don't believe in heaven.
An example of liberal's attitude I have encountered :They are right,those with other viewpoints are wrong and should go away or shut up. Of course at the same time they preach tolerance and non partisanship .
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:55 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Sarasota... a conservative stronghold? That’s funny! :-) The city of Sarasota is very progressive in many respects. If you look at the rural areas of the county, then it becomes more conservative, but that trend holds true for most of the country. We love Sarasota because it has a thoughtful liberal community. You are correct that southwest Florida is more conservative, but that is due to the demographics of the region: age. Sarasota has a great progressive spirit. Come on down Alaska to Florida! You will fit right in. :-)
When I look at Sarasota, I do not see liberal values dominating. Someone is bound to post a disagreement with some obscure example of why I'm wrong but I see a community that prides itself on culture, embraces diversity, loves the environment, has a variety of demographics and that is consistent with values within it's community...
so tell us... why are none of those things able to be conservative attributes? I don't understand. Conservatives are constatly bashed for being intolerant and non-progressive. That the traditional ways need to be changed. Conservatives do come up with progressive ideas but are never called that because even the very word has been hijaked.

I don't see a lifestyle where anything is relative in this part of Florida. You have to head further south for that. You can't even find a market for GLBT establishments anymore, I just read they're all closed...

Sarasota and it's neighbors have a higher standard of living than much of the country and it is reflected in most everything around. Age has nothing to do with it IMO. Religion, Education, and plain old red-blooded American dreams have everything to do with it. But if anyone insists age is the factor in making Sarasota the way it is, then isn't it interesting you get more conservative the older you become? I mean, how did all those people get those nice properties along the keys without working hard to earn it themselves attitude? You don't get that through pursuing interests in welfare, hand-outs, or minimum wage battles....

Oh yeah... how's that Change working for ya?

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Old 01-14-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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When I look at Sarasota, I do not see liberal values dominating. Someone is bound to post a disagreement with some obscure example of why I'm wrong but I see a community that prides itself on culture, embraces diversity, loves the environment, has a variety of demographics and that is consistent with values within it's community...
so tell us... why are none of those things able to be conservative attributes? I don't understand. Conservatives are constatly bashed for being intolerant and non-progressive. That the traditional ways need to be changed. Conservatives do come up with progressive ideas but are never called that because even the very word has been hijaked.

I don't see a lifestyle where anything is relative in this part of Florida. You have to head further south for that. Sarasota and it's neighbors have a higher standard of living and it is reflected in most everything around. Age has nothing to do with it IMO. But if anyone insists it does, then isn't it interesting you get more conservative the older you become? I mean, how did all those people get those nice properties along the keys without working hard to earn it themselves attitude?
Great Post.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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When I look at Sarasota, I do not see liberal values dominating. Someone is bound to post a disagreement with some obscure example of why I'm wrong but I see a community that prides itself on culture, embraces diversity, loves the environment, has a variety of demographics and that is consistent with values within it's community...
so tell us... why are none of those things able to be conservative attributes? I don't understand. Conservatives are constatly bashed for being intolerant and non-progressive. That the traditional ways need to be changed. Conservatives do come up with progressive ideas but are never called that because even the very word has been hijaked.

I don't see a lifestyle where anything is relative in this part of Florida. You have to head further south for that. You can't even find a market for GLBT establishments anymore, I just read they're all closed...

Sarasota and it's neighbors have a higher standard of living than much of the country and it is reflected in most everything around. Age has nothing to do with it IMO. Religion, Education, and plain old red-blooded American dreams have everything to do with it. But if anyone insists age is the factor in making Sarasota the way it is, then isn't it interesting you get more conservative the older you become? I mean, how did all those people get those nice properties along the keys without working hard to earn it themselves attitude? You don't get that through pursuing interests in welfare, hand-outs, or minimum wage battles....

Oh yeah... how's that Change working for ya?
Amen!
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: WI
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When I look at Sarasota, I do not see liberal values dominating. Someone is bound to post a disagreement with some obscure example of why I'm wrong but I see a community that prides itself on culture, embraces diversity, loves the environment, has a variety of demographics and that is consistent with values within it's community...
so tell us... why are none of those things able to be conservative attributes? I don't understand. Conservatives are constatly bashed for being intolerant and non-progressive. That the traditional ways need to be changed. Conservatives do come up with progressive ideas but are never called that because even the very word has been hijaked.

I don't see a lifestyle where anything is relative in this part of Florida. You have to head further south for that. You can't even find a market for GLBT establishments anymore, I just read they're all closed...

Sarasota and it's neighbors have a higher standard of living than much of the country and it is reflected in most everything around. Age has nothing to do with it IMO. Religion, Education, and plain old red-blooded American dreams have everything to do with it. But if anyone insists age is the factor in making Sarasota the way it is, then isn't it interesting you get more conservative the older you become? I mean, how did all those people get those nice properties along the keys without working hard to earn it themselves attitude? You don't get that through pursuing interests in welfare, hand-outs, or minimum wage battles....

Oh yeah... how's that Change working for ya?
What a great and insightful post Mr.Cool

If your not a liberal by the time your in your twenty's, You have no heart.
If your not a conservative by the time your in your forty's, You have no brains!
Winston Churchill
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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What a great and insightful post Mr.Cool

If your not a liberal by the time your in your twenty's, You have no heart.
If your not a conservative by the time your in your forty's, You have no brains!
Winston Churchill
Makes sense to me!
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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No, the pilgrims came here from England to hang out , freeze, die from starvation. I believe it was for freedom of religion, But if not right, I am sure you will tell me why I am wrong...
Regardless of why they came to North America, the pilgrims had nothing whatsoever to do with the founding of the United States or its government.
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