Slavery viewpoints in the south (Savannah: schools, colleges, living)

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by divagotstyle07

Yes, and stating a historical fact is important, I guess.

But what I don't get is the Daughters of the Confederacy posting up shop?? Like...the civil war is over, go home. There is nothing that they are selling that I wanna buy. Am I mistaken somehow??

My stepmother is a card-carrying member of the UDC; they tend to be quite misunderstood by people unfamiliar with the organization. They do a lot of good and charitable work that benefits both the black and white communities.

"THEREFORE, BE IT KNOWN, that The United Daughters of the Confederacy® does not associate with or include in its official UDC functions and events, any individual, group or organization known as unpatriotic, militant, racist or subversive to the United States of America and its Flag, AND

BE IT FURTHER KNOWN, that The United Daughters of the Confederacy® will not associate with any individual, group or organization identified as being militant, unpatriotic, racist or subversive to the United States of America and its Flag."

https://www.hqudc.org

[gentlearts]

Originally Posted by divagotstyle07

Yes, and stating a historical fact is important, I guess.

But what I don't get is the Daughters of the Confederacy posting up shop?? Like...the civil war is over, go home. There is nothing that they are selling that I wanna buy. Am I mistaken somehow??

I think you are. Just like northern people are proud of their history, like the DAR, and others, southern people are proud of their roots, also. There is nothing wrong with it.

As a southern transplant, I’m amazed that the south was settled at all. The heat is so oppressive in the summer, that the early southerners must have been made of some strong stuff.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by gentlearts

As a southern transplant, I’m amazed that the south was settled at all. The heat is so oppressive in the summer, that the early southerners must have been made of some strong stuff.

That was the whole point of the slavery thing.

[gentlearts]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

That was the whole point of the slavery thing.

Not everything is about slavery. Plenty of people did not own slaves.

[pink caddy]

GA
He was making a correlation between the environment and hard work to slavery.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by pink caddy

GA
He was making a correlation between the environment and hard work to slavery.

Not to mention a race of people more acclimated to the Southern U.S.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by gentlearts

Not everything is about slavery. Plenty of people did not own slaves.

The development of the South is about slavery though. You think it's a coincidence that the places where slaves were concentrated in the South were the most developed early on and the Upcountry/Appalachia remained a backwater for so long?

You can't be this obtuse, even as a transplant.

[Atlwarrior]

I know exactly what you mean. You also see the word Plantations everywhere in South. I think people adopt things and keep symbols around without fully understanding history. For instance once I grew into adulthood I found out secrets in my family bloodline that they still deny. You may see resemblance of horrible historical figures and symbols in the South, but I guarantee just like my black family secrets, most whites under 50 have no idea of what the true toll of slavery was on the South. History only teaches them about the civil war and confederacy as honorable. I think people try to measure Southern history through eyes of good slaves owners and blacks was solely workers honorable Plantation owners. However, it was a horrible era and not only were their bad slaveowners, blacks also face tremendous horrors from lower class whites also. My point! There are some truly good whites who have been lied too and truly want find out the about history from the family unless it is sought out. I wouldn’t exempt the rest of America. Europe originally spreaded the lie that blacks were not fully human and Greek Philosophers like Plato and Socrates taught that Causian was the standard for leadership. Furthermore look for charisma or gifting and not character. This is taught in some of our most prestigious educational institutions. This also explains why we have such weak leadership. We look for gifting and not character, I’ll respected of what color the person may be.

[pink caddy]

When did investigative reading go out of style? When did all that has been written about the culture and history of the times get put away? The study of history is way, way better than any mystery book you can find. And as someone said in an early post: Do you really think you can learn all there is no know about this subject from this forum board?

[eliza61nyc]

Ok card carrying Black middle aged women here who loves Savannah and has it on her top 4 spots to possible retire.

So Op here are my thoughts.

I love history, and if you are going to love history and be proud of your country you must accept it warts and all. America was built on slavery and a lot of other really nasty mindsets. No one can change that. I'm from NYC and currently live in Philly. I've had to deal with racist pricks in both cities. stupidity is very mobile nowadays. the south has the same attitude about slavery as I would suspect the North, east, and west. It was horrible, just like the holocaust, the Khmer rouge, how we treated native americans and South African apartheid. Humans can be monstrously evil.

The plantation in Charleston may have very good reason to be proud. first I find us Americans (and I've lived in Portugal) tear down our history really, really quick. I live in Philly, birthplace of America, before we wised up you should have seen how many historical houses were bulldozed for the ugliest buildings known to God. so first they may have been proud that they had an entire plantation intact. that in itself is impressive.
Next slaves were considered property and property equaled wealth. Even by antebellum standards 800 slaves would have been impressive.

Just because an organization is old does not mean it's useless or subscribes to the same ideals. Have you heard of HBCU's?? historically black colleges and universities. many folks today wonder if they are relevant? they came out of the fact that blacks could not go to white colleges so we formed our own. now of course that's no longer an issue but HBCU's still contribute greatly.

I suspect the the DotC sell historical artifacts and other stuff. If you are a civil war buff and believe me there are a gazillion then they may interest you.

I'm sure Savannah and Charleston have their fare share of morons just like Philly does and I'm willing to bet that just like Philly not all of them are white.

So my suggestion is to do what I did, take a tour, accept the good and the bad of any city and it's history. if you are looking for a place to relocate then get to know the residents that are there now and worry about what happened in 1836 when you visit the AA museum in DC