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Old 07-24-2013, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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I have never read how big the computers will be in 2019 that will have the ability to simulate the human brain and that cost $1,000. Since my I phone only costs $400 minus the rebate I am guessing it will be larger then that though. Perhaps the size of a desk top? Then with how computers advance exponentially sometime in the 2020's and defiantly by the 2030's the size will come down to the size of a blood cell.
I sort of remember you stating that we'd have phones that could simulate the human mind by 2019, but as I mentioned before it's highly unlikely they'd fit that amount of processors on a phone by 2019.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I sort of remember you stating that we'd have phones that could simulate the human mind by 2019, but as I mentioned before it's highly unlikely they'd fit that amount of processors on a phone by 2019.
I never said the smart phone just a computer that costs $1,000. Now I did say that AI on smart phones, like Siri, will be exponentially better by 2019. So maybe that is what you are thinking of.

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Old 07-24-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Exclamation Scalpel can detect cancerous tissue while cutting

Some more good news on the race to cure cancer allowing us to live longer. I will let the article speak for itself.

This is from DVICE:

To date, there’s been some pretty interesting advances in cancer detection. An MIT engineer created an implant that can continuously monitor a tumor, meaning cancer patents would ideally have to undergo fewer intrusive procedures. It's fantastic, but it requires detection itself.

That’s what makes the iKnife so amazing. Developed by researchers at Imperial College London, the intelligent surgical knife can detect cancerous tissue in three seconds, simply by cutting through it. As electrosurgical knives cut through tissue, they vaporize it, creating smoke. That smoke is full of biological information, so researchers attached a sensor to the knife that can sort through this information.

The link: Scalpel can detect cancerous tissue while cutting | DVICE
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Exclamation Visionary Awardees Kurzweil, Warrior, Blank, Diamandis

I always talk about Ray Kurzweil and Dr. Peter Diamandis so when I saw they got yet another prestigious award I thought I would post it here. This, in my opinion, shows they know what they are talking about and not some fringe scientists with fringe ideas.

This is from the Silicon Valley Business journal:

Ray Kurzweil, Padmasree Warrior, Peter Diamandis and Steve Blank joined the ranks of Silicon Valley Visionary Award winners Wednesday night at a gala event in Los Altos Hills.

They join a Who's Who of tech and venture investment that have been honored since 1998, including, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, John Doerr and Jerry Yang.

The link: Hear from 2013 Visionary Award winners Ray Kurzweil, Padmasree Warrior, Steve Blank, Peter Diamandis - Silicon Valley Business Journal

Note: They interviewed them and the story has the links to the interviews.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Some people may have a lot of computers inside themselves. Possibly. Billions of computers as you indicated earlier? I'm not that optimistic. I already gave some reasons why. Even if you had billions of computers floating around in your veins, you wouldn't have much room for any blood cells and you'd quickly die.
I have been giving this statement some more thought and then did some research.

In 10 to 20 years computers will be the size of blood cells. I looked it up and there about 600 million blood cells in a teaspoon of blood. So if you add 10 billion computers the size of blood cells to your body that would only be 17 teaspoons or 3 ounces by volume. That would not be nearly enough to kill a person yet be more then enough to kill any disease that might enter the body.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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I have been giving this statement some more thought and then did some research.

In 10 to 20 years computers will be the size of blood cells. I looked it up and there about 600 million blood cells in a teaspoon of blood. So if you add 10 billion computers the size of blood cells to your body that would only be 17 teaspoons or 3 ounces by volume. That would not be nearly enough to kill a person yet be more then enough to kill any disease that might enter the body.
How would you know this? If I'm remember correctly An increase of red blood cells (or substances) increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder and thus lead to cardiovascular disease or death.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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How would you know this? If I'm remember correctly An increase of red blood cells (or substances) increases blood viscosity which makes the heart work harder and thus lead to cardiovascular disease or death.
Everyone I have seen talk about it never says that will be a problem. The only question is when it will be possible.
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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Everyone I have seen talk about it never says that will be a problem. The only question is when it will be possible.
They probably don't know anything about anatomy and physiology. It would probably be a better idea for people to be scanned while they visit the doctor and if disease is detected; they can then have a few temporary nanobots injected into affected area, once they do their job they're programmed to leave the body.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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I have been giving this statement some more thought and then did some research.

In 10 to 20 years computers will be the size of blood cells. I looked it up and there about 600 million blood cells in a teaspoon of blood. So if you add 10 billion computers the size of blood cells to your body that would only be 17 teaspoons or 3 ounces by volume. That would not be nearly enough to kill a person yet be more then enough to kill any disease that might enter the body.
Thanks. I stand corrected on that. I looked it up too. The human body is estimated to have about 100 trillion blood cells. Still, think about it.
- What exactly would these 10 billion cell-sized computers do?
- What kind of materials would they be made of?
- Would they have mechanical parts?
- Would they all be programmed to work independently?
- How powerful would these individual computers be?

I assume these computers would be in addition to the ones dealing with individual neurons in the brain that you've speculated on, and likely other computers not mentioned but located who knows where else. Why stop there? Why not just drain out all the blood and replace the cells with computers? I suppose all other cells in the human body to be replaced with computers as well, or at least tougher material. You could mix microscopic computers into soap, shampoo or skin lotion that once applied will crawl around on your synthetic skin, ridding it of any unwanted objects, parasites and skin diseases, not to mention seal up any cuts and wounds. Eventually, you could replace the entire human body with synthetic parts. Come to think of it, why woud you even need a body? You could just upload your entire personality into a master supercomputer and experience everything through virtual reality. You wouldn't even need to go anywhere. Ahhh, the good life. It just doesn't get any better than that.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Thanks. I stand corrected on that. I looked it up too. The human body is estimated to have about 100 trillion blood cells. Still, think about it.
- What exactly would these 10 billion cell-sized computers do?
- What kind of materials would they be made of?
- Would they have mechanical parts?
- Would they all be programmed to work independently?
- How powerful would these individual computers be?

I assume these computers would be in addition to the ones dealing with individual neurons in the brain that you've speculated on, and likely other computers not mentioned but located who knows where else. Why stop there? Why not just drain out all the blood and replace the cells with computers? I suppose all other cells in the human body to be replaced with computers as well, or at least tougher material. You could mix microscopic computers into soap, shampoo or skin lotion that once applied will crawl around on your synthetic skin, ridding it of any unwanted objects, parasites and skin diseases, not to mention seal up any cuts and wounds. Eventually, you could replace the entire human body with synthetic parts. Come to think of it, why woud you even need a body? You could just upload your entire personality into a master supercomputer and experience everything through virtual reality. You wouldn't even need to go anywhere. Ahhh, the good life. It just doesn't get any better than that.
Again I am on my I phone and can't multi quote.

The first questions I am unable to answer as I am not a engineer or a doctor. That video where Ray Kurzweil interviews Dr Robert Freitas answers most of your questions.

As far as the computers going into the neurons. That will happen after this as the computers will have to be more advanced and smaller. If I rember correctly we could be looking at 5-10 years after.

Everything else you talk about is possible but would happen after the singularity so it's really hard to say what will exactly happen as all the models breakdown at that point, by 2045.

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