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Old 08-23-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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How did the universe begin? The Big Bang is traditionally envisioned as the moment when an infinitely dense bundle of energy suddenly burst outward, expanding in three spatial directions and gradually cooling down as it did so.

Now, a team of physicists says the Big Bang should be modeled as a phase change: the moment when an amorphous, formless universe analogous to liquid water cooled and suddenly crystallized to form four-dimensional space-time, analogous to ice.

Big Bang Was Phase Change When Water Froze To Ice, New Study Claims


Fascinating!
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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interesting theory, the only thing i can see that might cause problems is that the universe is expanding at a faster rate now than in the past. that means something is driving everything apart. sounds like further study is needed on this theory.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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Uh huh. And where did the amorphous, formless universe analogous to liquid water come from?

First there was nothing, then nothing exploded forming the universe. There's some solid science you can believe in!

It takes more blind faith to believe in evolution than creation.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:31 AM
 
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How did the universe begin? The Big Bang is traditionally envisioned as the moment when an infinitely dense bundle of energy suddenly burst outward, expanding in three spatial directions and gradually cooling down as it did so.

Now, a team of physicists says the Big Bang should be modeled as a phase change: the moment when an amorphous, formless universe analogous to liquid water cooled and suddenly crystallized to form four-dimensional space-time, analogous to ice.

Big Bang Was Phase Change When Water Froze To Ice, New Study Claims


Fascinating!
I wonder if these scientists are aware of Genesis; 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth .. The Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters'

Then Peter, inspired by the Spirit, wrote, 'by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, 6 through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. ... 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!

Peter said 'melt' ... Hmmm Ice melts.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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Uh huh. And where did the amorphous, formless universe analogous to liquid water come from?

First there was nothing, then nothing exploded forming the universe. There's some solid science you can believe in!

It takes more blind faith to believe in evolution than creation.

How so?

To believe in creation you have to believe that a conscious and magical God "always existed"... how was GOD created?


AT least there are multiple THEORIES in Science to suggest or try to explain the origin of matter.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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How so?

To believe in creation you have to believe that a conscious and magical God "always existed"... how was GOD created?


AT least there are multiple THEORIES in Science to suggest or try to explain the origin of matter.

I believe in the "Big Bang Theory". God said, "Let there be light!" and BANG!!!!!!

The FACT is that the only FACT scientists know about the creation of the world is that there is a world that was created.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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isn't this what the science forum is for?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Uh huh. And where did the amorphous, formless universe analogous to liquid water come from?

First there was nothing, then nothing exploded forming the universe. There's some solid science you can believe in!

It takes more blind faith to believe in evolution than creation.
Don't take the analogy so literally. Everybody knows that when water freezes, it expands with potentially explosive force that splits engine blocks. The pre-big-bang universe could have been concentrated energy (which, in the absence of "matter" would not need to occupy space) with a tendency to reconfigure (under certain conditions) into what we now postulate to be crystallizing electrons (which do need to occupy space) after crossing a threshold into a matter-filled universe. We now think of temperature as an example of those kinds of thresholds, but could have been something else in a matter-free space-free universe. Not that hard to visualize.

Evolution is a Theory waiting to be disproved by science, not by faith, which is not a factor in these conversations. I have faith that if a pencil rolls off my desk, it will fall to the floor (far too unerringly). But it is not my faith that makes it do so, nor does a pencil on the floor prove the truth of my entire set of compended faiths. Even a 3-year-old can believe in Creation, but evolution requires a little more intellectual and logical rationalization, which must be acquired with a certain effort.

Personally, I find it a lot easier to visualize a matter-free pre-big-bang dimensionless-energy universe, than to visualize a pre-creation God who is vain enough to care, 7,000 years later, whether I worship Him or not and has special eternal torment personally reserved for me if I don't, and who put stars a billion light years away just for me and my fellow humans.

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Old 08-24-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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This has nothing to do with "God", Jtur88, and for that there is the religion section.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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This has nothing to do with "God", Jtur88, and for that there is the religion section.
Faith In Creation was introduced into the discussion as a criterion for the acceptability, digestibility, even comprehension of the theory. The poster I responded to and quoted contrasted this theory with Creation, not with alternative theories of evolution of the universe.

After the post I quoted, and before mine, God was mentioned in posts 4, 5 and 6. I ignored those, but I thought Bideshi deserved a thoughtful and reasoned response, as he at least addressed the issue.

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