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Old 09-13-2012, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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I also like the San Antonio Class Amphibious Transport Dock Ships...kinda the Marine's scaled down "Aircraft Carrier".

Nearly 700 feet long; 100 feet wide and displace 25,000 Tonnes.

The U.S.S. New York contains 7 tons of steel from the World Trade Center Site.

The ship can generate over 30 MegaWatts of power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(LPD-21)



San Antonio class amphibious transport dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







LPD-17 San Antonio Class: The USA’s New Amphibious Ships

San Antonio Class Landing Platform Dock - Naval Technology

A Tour Of The Navy's San Antonio Class Amphibious Transport Dock - Business Insider

San Antonio Class Amphibious Transport Dock | Military-Today.com
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:10 AM
 
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Can it "float"????????.

The one from the movie looks cool but I've not seen the flick yet.
The one from battleship kind of jumps off the water like a frog
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:50 AM
 
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I'm rather partial to the U.S. submarine "Turtle".


My favorite vessels that were operated by the Navy were the airships Los Angeles, Shenandoah, Akron, and Macon; and the K-class blimps that flew U-boat patrol in WWII.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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I'm partial to the Ticonderoga Class Cruisers too. It can take almost any threat from Land, sea, under sea and space. I gueas you can get rid of the almsot because it really can take on any threat.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I'm partial to the Ticonderoga Class Cruisers too. It can take almost any threat from Land, sea, under sea and space. I gueas you can get rid of the almsot because it really can take on any threat.
They are not bad, like all surface-targets so long as they do not face up against a combatant.

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Old 09-14-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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The one from battleship kind of jumps off the water like a frog
That would make it far more manueverable than even a Zumwalt Class Destroyer!
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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They are not bad, like all surface-targets so long as they do not face up against a combatant.


But they can take on any/all combatants......even submarines.

After all their main mission is defending our Aircraft Carriers from attack.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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But they can take on any/all combatants......even submarines.

After all their main mission is defending our Aircraft Carriers from attack.
No US carrier is allowed to go to sea without a combatant escort. That means a sub. No surface target qualifies to escort a carrier.

In a carrier battle group there will be a group of other target vessels forming an outer ring doing picket duty. Mainly as a barrier to receive incoming missile attacks giving the carrier a long enough window to launch all birds before the outer target vessels have succumbed to the incoming missiles. That is the role of a Cruiser: picket duty and missile target.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that can take on a sub.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that is capable of finding a sub.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that has any form of defense against sub attacks.

Cruisers make noise that mucks up the water and basically they get in the way of the combatants; they are no more than an annoyance to combatants. But they are considered worthwhile to have in the outer ring of a carrier battle group as incoming missile targets; to give advance warning of attack and provide enough delay for the carrier to launch all birds.

I served on Active Duty from the mid 70s, up until '01. Unless something huge has happened since '01 to change the fundamental basics of naval tactics, this is how it works.

And Yes, I am a submariner.



As to the notion of a cruiser taking on a combatant. Keep in mind, cruisers are targeted from 500nm distant and automatically have a firing solution designated for them at that distance. As soon as they approach within range, a torpedo is auto loaded with the solution to properly greet them should need arise.



You are correct, in that a cruisers primary mission is to help the carrier live long enough to launch it's birds. If it can survive past 8 minutes of open combat that is an added bonus.

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Old 09-15-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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I imagine it gets exhausting passing 65 pounds of potentially lethal projectiles. But I'm pretty sure the "fuse" must first be set before they can explode.
Nah not really (exhausting) as most of those assigned to the ''working party'' are mostly E-1 - E-3 and they're mostly reciently out of high school age range and so they've got plenty of young energy. As for the shells exploding upon impact if accidently dropped while i never did ask nor were we told however i kinda figured that they wouldn't explode although it still kind of made wonder ''just what if'' .

Anyway PITTS i think that we navy vets here should make you an honorary Naval Weapons Officer here at city data as you're definately schooled up on our Navy's weapon systems past, current and in the coming future .
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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No US carrier is allowed to go to sea without a combatant escort. That means a sub. No surface target qualifies to escort a carrier.

In a carrier battle group there will be a group of other target vessels forming an outer ring doing picket duty. Mainly as a barrier to receive incoming missile attacks giving the carrier a long enough window to launch all birds before the outer target vessels have succumbed to the incoming missiles. That is the role of a Cruiser: picket duty and missile target.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that can take on a sub.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that is capable of finding a sub.

I am not aware of any class of cruiser that has any form of defense against sub attacks.

Cruisers make noise that mucks up the water and basically they get in the way of the combatants; they are no more than an annoyance to combatants. But they are considered worthwhile to have in the outer ring of a carrier battle group as incoming missile targets; to give advance warning of attack and provide enough delay for the carrier to launch all birds.

I served on Active Duty from the mid 70s, up until '01. Unless something huge has happened since '01 to change the fundamental basics of naval tactics, this is how it works.

And Yes, I am a submariner.



As to the notion of a cruiser taking on a combatant. Keep in mind, cruisers are targeted from 500nm distant and automatically have a firing solution designated for them at that distance. As soon as they approach within range, a torpedo is auto loaded with the solution to properly greet them should need arise.



You are correct, in that a cruisers primary mission is to help the carrier live long enough to launch it's birds. If it can survive past 8 minutes of open combat that is an added bonus.

I don't deny your Military experience nor that submarines are the primary "enemy" of other submarines.....

Also any member of the Military will say their ship/submarine etcetera is invinceable.....I would too...it's the only attitude to have to not only survive but to do your job properly.

However remember our escort subs are not only monitoring enemy subs...attempting to Destroy/Disable them BUT relaying coordinate information to our Guided Missile Cruisers and Destroyers Equipped with RUR-5-ASROC ASROC (for Anti-Submarine ROCket) is an all-weather, all sea-conditions anti-submarine missile system.

RUR-5 ASROC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 31 U.S. Navy Spruance-class destroyers were all built with the Mark 16 Mod 7 ASROC Launching Group and MK 4 ASROC Weapons Handling System (AWHS) reload system.

Most Spruance-class destroyers were later modified to include the Mk 41 VLS, these launchers are capable of carrying a mixture of the VL-ASROC.

The Arlegh Burke Class Destroyers also possess torpedo launchers..... Mark 54 MAKO Lightweight Torpedo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Ticonderoga and other escort ships also carry triple torpedo tube launchers> Mark 32 Surface Vessel Torpedo Tubes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Aircraft also use Magnetic Anomaly Detection to detect submarines>>>> http://www.cae.com/en/military/_pdf/...ion.system.pdf

Sonar has also advanced since WWII and current systems are highly classified>>>>> Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These ships carry both Active Sonar and Towed Sonar Arrays and SonoBuoys; the latter two can also be used by aircraft....

Towed array sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lockheed P-3 Orion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boeing P-8 Poseidon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sonobuoy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We also have submarine detection systems embedded on the Ocean floor at strategic points around the Globe. Virtually NO submarine can leave port without The United States already knowing/following it.

As far as I am aware NO Soviet sub ever left port without being shadowed by United States Attack Subs......any other potential adversary like China has relatively LOUD deisel powered submarines easy to detect with modern surveillance methods. Few Navies possess Nuclear powered submarines. There is a SOSUS system in the Pacific but it too is highly classified.

SOSUS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I beg to differ but as in WWII surface ships can indeed find and destroy submarines...especially when also using aircraft and coordinating information with the Aegis Weapons System

Remember in WWII the Nazis were sinking our transport ships faster than we could build them; until we integrated data from ships/planes ans submarines.

As time went by we gained the upper hand and Hitler recalled most submarines to their home ports as he did with his major surface warships.

They were outgunned/outclassed.

Aegis Combat System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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