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Old 02-08-2020, 05:42 AM
 
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Youtube and Craigslist can only use this kind of profit strategy if they have a near total Monopoly in their particular focus

The problem is the examples you are giving have nothing to do with NN. You are complaining about having to watch ads on a free service and having to pay for a service that used to be free.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:23 AM
 
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The problem is the examples you are giving have nothing to do with NN. You are complaining about having to watch ads on a free service and having to pay for a service that used to be free.
Do you not understand that a "service" used to be free with minimal commercials because it had lots of competition when we had net neutrality laws

and now that Trump has removed net neutrality laws we are now required to pay and have lots of commercials

So with net neutrality there's lots of competition and things are free or low-cost with minimal commercials

After the destruction of net neutrality everything costs money even Craigslist and there are three and four ads on a 2-minute fake video uploaded to YouTube
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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Do you not understand that a "service" used to be free with minimal commercials because it had lots of competition when we had net neutrality laws

and now that Trump has removed net neutrality laws we are now required to pay and have lots of commercials
How does monetizing a free service correlate with NN? It doesn’t.

Pleas provide a specific example and citation.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:27 AM
 
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How does monetizing a free service correlate with NN? It doesn’t.

Pleas provide a specific example and citation.
YouTube would be free and have no ads if there were hundreds of competitive websites vying for the customer's eyes

Because there is no competition whatsoever YouTube has a complete Stranglehold on the streaming video Market and can now monetize

I was in college when you Tube came out so I have seen it evolve from a cool public website into a corporate Monopoly thanks to the repeal of net neutrality laws

I don't think you know what net neutrality means

here watch this video [after you click past all the spam] and get back to me

https://youtu.be/k-xSP_T0VqU

Of course none of these contact providers wanted an overlord ISP but now that they have one they have to play ball and pay up

It's just like the old protection racket Shakedown that the mob ran

"sure would be a shame if something bad was ta happen to your internet speed"

"You just pay up to the boss and everything will be safe and Nice Like You See"

"Don't worry the boss is going to look after you and make sure nobody can take ova ya tuff ... just keep that money coming in and everting gonna be okay"

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Old 02-08-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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Do you not understand that a "service" used to be free with minimal commercials because it had lots of competition when we had net neutrality laws

What competitors to Youtube were lost because an ISP was throttling or blocking traffic to them?
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:35 PM
 
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YouTube would be free and have no ads if there were hundreds of competitive websites vying for the customer's eyes

Because there is no competition whatsoever YouTube has a complete Stranglehold on the streaming video Market and can now monetize

Youtube has little competition because they make little or no money. One could argue it's monopolistic practice but that monoplization has nothing to do with leveraging the repeal on NN.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:58 PM
 
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I don't think you know what net neutrality means
Actually, based upon your response I would say the same.

Google owns YouTube, and has since late 2006. It was created in early 2005.

By late 2007 YouTube already had over 25% market share.

Read more:

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/

But with all of these stats, nothing shows a decrease or increase due to the expiration of NN.

Why? Because its success has nothing to do with NN.

Who is slowing down YouTube or speeding up competitors?
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Old 02-08-2020, 07:01 PM
 
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Youtube has little competition because they make little or no money. One could argue it's monopolistic practice but that monoplization has nothing to do with leveraging the repeal on NN.
Things come and go. Where is Napster, Friendster and MySpace today?

YouTube makes money, but they also benefit from Alphabet infrastructure and economy of scale. But they have for over 13 years now.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:25 PM
 
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Things come and go. Where is Napster, Friendster and MySpace today?

Nspster's business model was to facilitate sharing of copyrighted material, it was doomed from the start. Social networks evolved, I'm not so sure there is much room for video service like YT to evolve. It's basic service, the modern equivalent of TV. Similarly forum software, it is what it is. You can add minor features but at the end of the day the fundamentals of it are not much different than a BBS.


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YouTube makes money,

A lot of the analysis I have read on this suggest YT makes little to no money. Of course only Google knows what they are making.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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A lot of the analysis I have read on this suggest YT makes little to no money. Of course only Google knows what they are making.
There's revenue and there's profit. The guesstimate on revenue is $16-25B which is a lot of money. Profit is a different story, and as you mention, only Google knows.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/t...re-google.html
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