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Old 03-21-2020, 10:38 PM
 
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I notice no difference in my internet since NN experienced its richly deserved death.

As I mentioned in the previous post the only thing thus far I have seen is bundling those services with no data caps. Bundling them isn't an issue but exempting them from the data caps is. You need to look at the big picture especially when the ISP may have their own services competing with others.

Suppose this was your water company and they offered you free water service for Maytag washer and they own Maytag. You are going to have pay for the water to use a GE washer. It's anti competitive. To keep it competitive the water service needs to be neutral.
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Old 06-25-2020, 06:03 AM
 
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Nearly every residential ISP is going to have restrictions on running a server. This is not something new and these types of restrictions go back to the 90's. A gaming server can be a bit of gray area but larger a motto point since any modern game has it's own servers.














As someone who serves web content I have a financial interest in the internet remaining neutral, it's just as important if not more important to me. Thus far if I want to compete with Youtube on the same level of deliverabilityof content I can do that.





As I have already mentioned the only thing I have seen so far that would break the NN principle is for example bundling video services with cell phone packages would not count against the data cap. That is something that goes against the NN principle. The irony as far as pertains to your lack of understanding of this topic is they are competitors against Youtube.

You're not going to see the breaking of the net neutrality principles because the isps are aware that they are being watched and they're not going to do something so foolish

Don't you remember them saying they would never block filter or throttle websites after spending millions of dollars in lobbying money to give them the power to block filter and throttle

The ISP is the overlord of the internet thanks to the repeal of net neutrality laws not YouTube

YouTube/ Google are the fat cats therefore they have the most Market leverage

It's just like the old protection racket

Vinny's Pizza doesn't want the mob in town extorting his business but since he's bigger than Rocco's Pizza he can pay the mob to burn down Rocco's joint

Do you really believe they would allow you to create a service similar to YouTube?

Give me an example of a few alternatives to YouTube since it's such a free-market there must be many who are investing in such a platform....

Sure seem to be a lot of people complaining about being demonetized on YouTube because their uploads have adult content

It was so bad for a while their people were going to Pornhub of all places how come there aren't dozens of YouTube competitors vying for our uploads?
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Old 06-25-2020, 07:22 AM
 
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It's just like the old protection racket

Vinny's Pizza doesn't want the mob in town extorting his business but since he's bigger than Rocco's Pizza he can pay the mob to burn down Rocco's joint

Once again I'm well aware of the issues of lifting NN rules, I'm not aware of any ISP doing this. If/When that occurs it will likely raise the eyes of the FTC.


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Do you really believe they would allow you to create a service similar to YouTube?
If you wanted to create a service similar to Youtube out of the box I would suggest you first search for "open source video cms". I never had a use for this so I have no recommendations. Minimally this will allow you to serve video as uploaded from a cheap $5/month shared hosting plan. If you want to provide minimum features available on Youtbe you will need at least VPS hosting plan so you can install something like ffmpeg for server side video conversions to insure HTML5 compliant video and other options like multiple resoltiuons/bitrates. You would also have to install streaming service otherwise your users would not be able to FF. I'm sure if you looked there is likely pre-configured hosting plans like this available but they won't be cheap.

All of the software needed to do this is available for free but you are going to get killed with the server costs. The speed/bandwidth of your service is only limited by how fat your wallet is.

Stop complaining, go for it.



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Give me an example of a few alternatives to YouTube since it's such a free-market there must be many who are investing in such a platform....
You are competing with Google's infrastructure and that is why you won't make any money. All other things being equal Google's server/network costs are going to be fractions of your costs. The cost of doing this per minute of video served with a VPS is higher than dedicated server. The total cost of the dedicated server is much higher though so you need the traffic to support it. Once you have outgrown dedicated server(s) you can move to collocation where you own the hardware and are paying the datacenter for bandwidth and other services. When you rise to the level of owning multiple datacenters scattered across the globe you can compete with Youtube's costs. This of course has nothing to do with NN.
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Old Today, 06:25 AM
 
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Once again I'm well aware of the issues of lifting NN rules, I'm not aware of any ISP doing this. If/When that occurs it will likely raise the eyes of the FTC.


If you wanted to create a service similar to Youtube out of the box I would suggest you first search for "open source video cms". I never had a use for this so I have no recommendations. Minimally this will allow you to serve video as uploaded from a cheap $5/month shared hosting plan. If you want to provide minimum features available on Youtbe you will need at least VPS hosting plan so you can install something like ffmpeg for server side video conversions to insure HTML5 compliant video and other options like multiple resoltiuons/bitrates. You would also have to install streaming service otherwise your users would not be able to FF. I'm sure if you looked there is likely pre-configured hosting plans like this available but they won't be cheap.

All of the software needed to do this is available for free but you are going to get killed with the server costs. The speed/bandwidth of your service is only limited by how fat your wallet is.

Stop complaining, go for it.



You are competing with Google's infrastructure and that is why you won't make any money. All other things being equal Google's server/network costs are going to be fractions of your costs. The cost of doing this per minute of video served with a VPS is higher than dedicated server. The total cost of the dedicated server is much higher though so you need the traffic to support it. Once you have outgrown dedicated server(s) you can move to collocation where you own the hardware and are paying the datacenter for bandwidth and other services. When you rise to the level of owning multiple datacenters scattered across the globe you can compete with Youtube's costs. This of course has nothing to do with NN.
You're not going to see bribery and Corruption because it is designed to stay hidden

How come there are no YouTube competitors?
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Old Today, 09:22 AM
 
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Looks like the internet Monopoly on speech is starting to grasp tighter at the scepter of power


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=leCz0Y5gOQ4
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