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Old 11-23-2021, 11:37 PM
 
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All it takes is a couple generations. Look at the progress of phones and TV just from the 60's. Kids today can't read a clock or use a dial phone.

Driverless cars are on the way.
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Old 11-24-2021, 08:36 AM
 
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Fully automated such as in the movie by Bruce Willies titled, "Surrogate?

In this case humans are on their special beds or chairs, hooked to a computer. Then each human has a look-alike android (a surrogate) doing all the physical work needed, from work duties to everything else you can think about

Factory workers, police, soldiers, social workers, hair stylists, hookers, and on and on, all "surrogates"... while the humans are connected to a mainframe. I guess that I can have my surrogate do all my camping, metal detecting, photography, and hunting while I am at home. He can even do the reloading and fire-testing for me at the range
Why would those at the top need you or anyone not at the top? Especially those not contributing to society.

I would think a country like China that their biggest problem is the one billion plus people they need to constantly keep under control. If automation could do everything it could make everything most of the people expendable.
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Old 11-24-2021, 10:27 AM
 
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Why would those at the top need you or anyone not at the top? Especially those not contributing to society.

I would think a country like China that their biggest problem is the one billion plus people they need to constantly keep under control. If automation could do everything it could make everything most of the people expendable.
Such a society would need a different economic system, and a different value system where a person's value to society is not tied to their economic value to society.

Otherwise there is a potential for the problem you and some other posters mention.
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Old 11-24-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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In a fully automated world, the powerful elite will no longer need the masses so they can be eliminated to conserve resources.
I can easily see this happening.
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Old 11-24-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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Such a society would need a different economic system, and a different value system where a person's value to society is not tied to their economic value to society.

Otherwise there is a potential for the problem you and some other posters mention.
Wouldn't automation make everyone equal? I mean how much would money and material possessions really matter that much in a world where machines do all the work and no one has jobs/income?
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Old 11-24-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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Wouldn't automation make everyone equal? I mean how much would money and material possessions really matter that much in a world where machines do all the work and no one has jobs/income?

First, just because we could automate everything doesn't mean we could create unlimited amounts of everything. There would still be competition and conservation of resources.


Second, human nature would not allow people to be content with "enough" or with equality. Already lots of people have more than they could ever need yet want more. Billionaires continue trying to collect more billions.
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Old 11-24-2021, 01:43 PM
 
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Such a society would need a different economic system, and a different value system where a person's value to society is not tied to their economic value to society.

Otherwise there is a potential for the problem you and some other posters mention.
I imagine if you have enough money you could create your own country. Create an automated workforce to make your goods and have you and your family and whoever else you designate as ones who live in your country. Only thing that would drag down your bottom line would taking care of other people. So best to keep the population very low. If there are people already there kick them out. Paying out a fortune in UBI seems like a bad idea.

The problem would come if AI figured out we are expendable. What value would anyone have? If AI is coming up with all the important ideas and inventions and doing all the work. Would AI also figure out that they should be the ones in charge not us?
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Old 11-24-2021, 01:46 PM
 
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I can easily see this happening.

I think that would be the eventual outcome. Only thing that might stave off mass elimination of humans would be synchronicity. Where everyone is wired into AI and is equal in intelligence. Otherwise they are getting smarter every day. We are not.

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Old 11-25-2021, 08:07 AM
 
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I imagine if you have enough money you could create your own country. Create an automated workforce to make your goods and have you and your family and whoever else you designate as ones who live in your country. Only thing that would drag down your bottom line would taking care of other people. So best to keep the population very low. If there are people already there kick them out. Paying out a fortune in UBI seems like a bad idea.

The problem would come if AI figured out we are expendable. What value would anyone have? If AI is coming up with all the important ideas and inventions and doing all the work. Would AI also figure out that they should be the ones in charge not us?
AI currently only runs under program control, just like your PC does, and will not do anything beyond it's programming. Unless it's hacked, gets a virus, or a programming error. These will be machines that serve people in some function. They will be seen as very useful.

But when AI is advanced enough it will have enough 'intelligence' to operate autonomously. But should it?

The ongoing debate is should AI be let 'free' to do whatever it wants? Some say setting it free is the only way it can get even more intelligent. But others say it could become uncontrollable. It would develop a desire to protect itself. It would know it needs to recharge it's batteries. It may not let anyone turn it off. And do whatever it takes to protect itself. Which of course, is an intelligent 'desire'.

A good sci-fi movie to watch that goes into all this is the game Detroit/Become Human that was made into a 2 hour movie you can find on YT. The surrogate androids have realized they are being abused and they group together to fight back to obtain freedom.
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Old 11-25-2021, 08:22 AM
 
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The ongoing debate is should AI be let 'free' to do whatever it wants? Some say setting it free is the only way it can get even more intelligent. But others say it could become uncontrollable. It would develop a desire to protect itself. It would know it needs to recharge it's batteries. It may not let anyone turn it off. And do whatever it takes to protect itself. Which of course, is an intelligent 'desire'.

A good sci-fi movie to watch that goes into all this is the game Detroit/Become Human that was made into a 2 hour movie you can find on YT. The surrogate androids have realized they are being abused and they group together to fight back to obtain freedom.

Or the classic: HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey.



"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy4EfdnMZ5g
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