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Old 03-13-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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That video reminded me of the video footage i saw of when the British ship HMS Sheffield was struck by an exocet missile (french made) and sunk during the Falklands War in 1982 between the U.K. and Argentina. Those missiles are tough to spot as when the attack jets fire them they drop to just above the water and then skim across the surface at supersonic speed heading toward their target as it looks like a torpedo coming up on the ship being attacked at the last several seconds. I wonder if the Sheffields anti missile Phalanx guns were down when that attack occured as they should have been armed with them like we were ?
If I remember correctly the Sheffield's radar and missile defense systems were turned off during the attack; this included her Phalynx close quarters rapid fire weaponry. What's more terrifying are the US HARPOON anti-ship missiles. They too skim the ocean surface but have various attack mode scenarios. The most devastating is when they fly straight upwards and accelerate downward; hitting the warship amidship, with devastating results.
Boeing AGM-84 Harpoon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US Navy -- Fact File

Boeing: Harpoon Home


YouTube - RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship Missiles


YouTube - The Harpoon Missile : United States Military Weaponry Video


YouTube - HMS Sheffield Hit by Exocet Missile
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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That ship looks pretty damn expensive. Considering we're already wasting money on battleships and aircraft carriers that we don't need, why we are building large high-speed frigates like this is beyond me. Anyone want to fill me in on why we're spending half a billion dollars per ship for these things? Why we even require this in the first place? Wouldn't a series of smaller faster ships do the same job at less cost? You know, considering these things can't defeat ballistic missiles and all...

I don't understand the Navy anymore.

Seems that way across all the "services" anymore. Spending and wasting more with the MICs ensures you a better position with them upon retirement, so the next round of welfare/warfare can continue.

As far as doing the same job at less cost, probably RIF-ing half the military and putting most of the MIC on unemployment would probably do that. But not to worry, the national bankruptcy will sort all that out. Worked out fine for the Soviets.
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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Seems that way across all the "services" anymore. Spending and wasting more with the MICs ensures you a better position with them upon retirement, so the next round of welfare/warfare can continue.

As far as doing the same job at less cost, probably RIF-ing half the military and putting most of the MIC on unemployment would probably do that. But not to worry, the national bankruptcy will sort all that out. Worked out fine for the Soviets.
Da, Comrade.

I was looking up the defense budget. I was absolutely blown away on how much we spend on procurement of crap we literally don't need. F22s for another example. How much we spend on those, a couple hundred million each? We spend money in the DoD like we're still at war with Russia. Between us and our European allies, we have the most sophisticated military technology available on almost every front, and we're building even more complex crap. How do people not see that as a spending problem? It's like buying a 52" LCD TV because your 50" LCD TV just isn't good enough. After all, those ruskies have 19" CRTs now!
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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If I remember correctly the Sheffield's radar and missile defense systems were turned off during the attack; this included her Phalynx close quarters rapid fire weaponry. What's more terrifying are the US HARPOON anti-ship missiles. They too skim the ocean surface but have various attack mode scenarios. The most devastating is when they fly straight upwards and accelerate downward; hitting the warship amidship, with devastating results.
Boeing AGM-84 Harpoon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US Navy -- Fact File

Boeing: Harpoon Home


YouTube - RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship Missiles


YouTube - The Harpoon Missile : United States Military Weaponry Video


YouTube - HMS Sheffield Hit by Exocet Missile
Very informative PITTS and thanks for all the links/videos as always. I heard about the Harpoons from the Gunners Mate's but don't believe i ever saw one fired nor did i ever get to see any of our ASROC's (Anti subs) fired while i was on my Adams Class Destroyer however we did get to fire many Tartar missiles (SAMS) in the designated area in the Caribbean as the Navy would fly the Drones out of Puerto Rico (Roosevelt Roads NS). Let me tell you when we fired them off the fantail platform launcher the whole ship would shake as they had explosive power when they fired off.

We even had a close encounter once as when we fired them we has to be in General Quarters and so i was always assigned the ''Lee Helm'' on the Bridge for that occasion and so after several firings that day we fired another one and within a sec or two it malfunctioned and flung back towards the ship as it went over the Bridge and landed some 500 to 600 yards off our starboard side and i remember how we all ducked when it went overhead like that was some how going to protect us if it had slammed into us as it would have killed us all up in the bridge as i remember that being the only time in my navy career that i was scared for a few secs

Anyway PITTS since your always giving us info about the futuristic ships and weapon systems about the navy and so i'm going to have to make you an honorary USN sailor (squid) .
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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That might be why even though it's in Portsmouth on the Elizabeth river they call it ''Norfolk Naval Shipyards'' as it's in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach metroplex.
Hmm...Well up here the Naval yard is actually on the other side of the river form Portsmouth, NH. The Yard is actually in Kittery, Maine.

Bath Iron Works (owned by General Dynamics)-further north up the Maine coast- was recently awarded a contract to build some new Navy vessels. I am not sure which class, but they are one of the new, stealthy, looking models.

http://www.gdbiw.com/

Looks like its thee same ship mentioned by the OP:

http://www.gdbiw.com/IMAGES/ZZZ/LCS%202%20AT%20SEA%20BUILDERS%20TRIALS_smaller.htm l (broken link)
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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Hmm...Well up here the Naval yard is actually on the other side of the river form Portsmouth, NH. The Yard is actually in Kittery, Maine.

Bath Iron Works (owned by General Dynamics)-further north up the Maine coast- was recently awarded a contract to build some new Navy vessels. I am not sure which class, but they are one of the new, stealthy, looking models.

General Dynamics Bath Iron Works

Looks like its thee same ship mentioned by the OP:

LCS 2 AT SEA BUILDERS TRIALS_smaller (http://www.gdbiw.com/IMAGES/ZZZ/LCS%202%20AT%20SEA%20BUILDERS%20TRIALS_smaller.htm l - broken link)
Norfolk Naval Shipyards is a repair and overhaul yard as they don't ''lay the keel'' or construct new ships there. I've never been to Maine or New Hampshire so i couldn't comment on them although i have been to submarine base next to New London/Groton in Connecticut .
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Very informative PITTS and thanks for all the links/videos as always. I heard about the Harpoons from the Gunners Mate's but don't believe i ever saw one fired nor did i ever get to see any of our ASROC's (Anti subs) fired while i was on my Adams Class Destroyer however we did get to fire many Tartar missiles (SAMS) in the designated area in the Caribbean as the Navy would fly the Drones out of Puerto Rico (Roosevelt Roads NS). Let me tell you when we fired them off the fantail platform launcher the whole ship would shake as they had explosive power when they fired off.

We even had a close encounter once as when we fired them we has to be in General Quarters and so i was always assigned the ''Lee Helm'' on the Bridge for that occasion and so after several firings that day we fired another one and within a sec or two it malfunctioned and flung back towards the ship as it went over the Bridge and landed some 500 to 600 yards off our starboard side and i remember how we all ducked when it went overhead like that was some how going to protect us if it had slammed into us as it would have killed us all up in the bridge as i remember that being the only time in my navy career that i was scared for a few secs

Anyway PITTS since your always giving us info about the futuristic ships and weapon systems about the navy and so i'm going to have to make you an honorary USN sailor (squid) .
Thanx for the kind words and I'm honored to be an honorary USN sailor(squid)...LOL..I'd make a pretty good weapons officer.
Are you familar with the TARTAR missile system replacement: the Standard Missile III I believe...
RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RIM-67 Standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


YouTube - SM-3 Missile Defence Unit JSDF


YouTube - Standard Missile-3: On the Path to Intercept


YouTube - Sea Based Interceptor SM-3 Missile Test


YouTube - Raytheon Land Based SM 3


YouTube - Aegis Missile Defense Test FTM-13

This newest air to air; ground to air and ship to air weapons system is lethal and extremely adaptable. It is capable of destroying either fairly large targets or distant targets with unprecedented accuracy. This was the same system, used recently, to destroy one our our own malfunctioning satellites. I am sure that the Block four series will be even more accurate and this current system is also capable of taking out other missiles, including ballistic missiles with a combination of kinetic and explosive warheads.
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Old 03-16-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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Thanx for the kind words and I'm honored to be an honorary USN sailor(squid)...LOL..I'd make a pretty good weapons officer.
Are you familar with the TARTAR missile system replacement: the Standard Missile III I believe...
Nope i'm not familiar with it and thanks for all the posted links as always . Yeap you would have definitely been a good Weapons Officer. My specialty was in Navigation as i loved always being around the Bridge whether i was monitoring the AN/SPS-10 radar (surface visual) helmsman, lee helm or forward lookout above the ship as we would rotate these positions every hour on a 4 hour watch unless in General Quarters.

Anyway we (navigators) at times debated amongst ourselves about the fictional infamous USS Poseidon that was hit by the 90 ft tidal wave traveling at 60 knots off it's port bow as the CO ordered the ship ''Hard Left'' to try to turn the ship around as we were in agreement that even if he turned the ship around which he should have ordered ''Hard Right'' since it was off his port bow as the radius would had been shorter however they could not out run a 60 knot tidal wave and so he should had steared it straight into the tidal wave and even though that might have wiped out the superstructure at least it probably wouldn't had capsized
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Nope i'm not familiar with it and thanks for all the posted links as always . Yeap you would have definitely been a good Weapons Officer. My specialty was in Navigation as i loved always being around the Bridge whether i was monitoring the AN/SPS-10 radar (surface visual) helmsman, lee helm or forward lookout above the ship as we would rotate these positions every hour on a 4 hour watch unless in General Quarters.

Anyway we (navigators) at times debated amongst ourselves about the fictional infamous USS Poseidon that was hit by the 90 ft tidal wave traveling at 60 knots off it's port bow as the CO ordered the ship ''Hard Left'' to try to turn the ship around as we were in agreement that even if he turned the ship around which he should have ordered ''Hard Right'' since it was off his port bow as the radius would had been shorter however they could not out run a 60 knot tidal wave and so he should had steared it straight into the tidal wave and even though that might have wiped out the superstructure at least it probably wouldn't had capsized
I'm in total agreement with you. Turning the ship directly into the wave would be the correct manuever. You at least have a chance to ride through the wave. Any sideways hit would capsize the ship. However I assume there would be a small chance, that if the ship were caught in the wave trough and it were deep enough; then there is a possibility that the keel would be broken. That would be more disastrous than flipping over. But I doubt the keel of a Navy warship would fail, even in those circumstances. The superstructure would probably survive if you rode through the wave...IMHO.
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Old 03-16-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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I'm in total agreement with you. Turning the ship directly into the wave would be the correct manuever. You at least have a chance to ride through the wave. Any sideways hit would capsize the ship. However I assume there would be a small chance, that if the ship were caught in the wave trough and it were deep enough; then there is a possibility that the keel would be broken. That would be more disastrous than flipping over. But I doubt the keel of a Navy warship would fail, even in those circumstances. The superstructure would probably survive if you rode through the wave...IMHO.
Hmm ... are you talking about the wave raising up the bow of the ship in a direct frontal hit and then dropping in back down into the water to break the keel in half? Anyway when he saw the target on his radar moving at 60 knots he should have immediately turned the ship ''hard'' right since he was already at Full Speed as the ship turns faster going at Full Speed as he may have had enough time to get it turned around as to try to put the wave behind the ship although i realise that we are debating a hollywood movie as they usually have nothing in common with reality .

Just for you PITTS as just skip to the 1:35 mark as that's where they see the tidal wave in this classic film


YouTube - S.S Poseidon Capsizing
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