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Old 06-28-2012, 12:24 AM
 
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Which is the most earth-friendly paper bags, plastic bags or cloth bags.Theirs covers supermarkets only; our, all retail stores.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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Anything you use till it wears out is earth-friendly. It is the practice of tossing a bag after one use that is most damaging.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Anything you use till it wears out is earth-friendly. It is the practice of tossing a bag after one use that is most damaging.
I know of some worn out yet "earth friendly" nuclear waste we could store under you house if you don't mind.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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I have some old Al Gore 2000 campaign paraphernalia you could recycle.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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I know of some worn out yet "earth friendly" nuclear waste we could store under you house if you don't mind.
Can't be recycled. Are you SURE? In any case, that should come from the profits of the power companies. Maybe they can claw some money back from the bonuses given to executives?
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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Can't be recycled. Are you SURE? In any case, that should come from the profits of the power companies. Maybe they can claw some money back from the bonuses given to executives?
Actually there is hope for recycling nuclear waste.

Bill Gates on energy: Innovating to zero! | Video on TED.com

Yeah, yeah, the pitchman is a moron but the science/tech seems pretty solid.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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A private contractor is working on the Hanford site, and says it still has 4 decades of work left, even though the work started in the 1980's. Maybe there's hope for Gates' great great grandkids. And they call solar "expensive"!!
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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A private contractor is working on the Hanford site, and says it still has 4 decades of work left, even though the work started in the 1980's. Maybe there's hope for Gates' great great grandkids. And they call solar "expensive"!!
Did you watch the video? All the 'waste' that we are trying to store better at Hanford can actually be used as FUEL for these next gen reactors. Then instead of spending the majority of our time and money shuffling material between more and more secure holding areas we actually be done with it and focus solely on cleaning up the contaminated soil and groundwater.

Also, keep in mind that most of the damage at Hanford was done BEFORE we really knew what we were doing. Modern day sites don't do nearly the damage to the environment.

The problem with solar isn't necessarily the price is that for much of the world it isn't consistent enough for base load power generation. You need something that puts out a steady, predictable, adjustable amount of power 24/7 that you can base your system on. Solar and Wind are fine as additions that you can then adjust your base around, but they can't be base themselves. You really need something like hydro, geothermal, nuclear or coal, natural gas etc. for that.
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Old 06-30-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Did you watch the video? All the 'waste' that we are trying to store better at Hanford can actually be used as FUEL for these next gen reactors. Then instead of spending the majority of our time and money shuffling material between more and more secure holding areas we actually be done with it and focus solely on cleaning up the contaminated soil and groundwater.

Also, keep in mind that most of the damage at Hanford was done BEFORE we really knew what we were doing. Modern day sites don't do nearly the damage to the environment.

The problem with solar isn't necessarily the price is that for much of the world it isn't consistent enough for base load power generation. You need something that puts out a steady, predictable, adjustable amount of power 24/7 that you can base your system on. Solar and Wind are fine as additions that you can then adjust your base around, but they can't be base themselves. You really need something like hydro, geothermal, nuclear or coal, natural gas etc. for that.
Using waste as fuel is nothing but pushing problems off to the future. As for how dirty other sites are, I think I'd like that from someone who isn't a fan of nuclear. We've built a huge problem that will be around a thousand generations. And so many people just refuse to confront the mistakes. And the country is always finding magic solutions like fracking. I wonder if Lot felt the same way living in Sodom. "These people have brains that are toast".
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:15 PM
 
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Using waste as fuel is nothing but pushing problems off to the future. As for how dirty other sites are, I think I'd like that from someone who isn't a fan of nuclear. We've built a huge problem that will be around a thousand generations. And so many people just refuse to confront the mistakes. And the country is always finding magic solutions like fracking. I wonder if Lot felt the same way living in Sodom. "These people have brains that are toast".
Gosh, every technological advance is a "mistake"?

Face it, like it or not, 7 billion+ people alive at once is an experience humankind has never known before. Unfortunately, people no longer decide to live in caves and collect moss and assorted fauna to burn (which would pollute the air anyway!) and in politics, nature is now a concept, not a reality, in the developed world. Concepts are theories as yet unproven and how many scientists are needed to screw in the proverbial lightbulb? Depends? How large is the research grant and who was it rewarded to? Answers vary.

Progress is not an idea, progress is fact, irrelevant to politics. Our relative speck of a life is not so important aside from that we are alive, now, and will someday not be alive, and so not be aware of the issue of just being here. We would all be much less frustrated if we realized that what life is as opposed to what we would like it to be. These visions will never coincide.

Now, I hear they make wonderful teeth-brightening products with spent nuclear material!
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