08-28-2012, 10:55 PM
Location: Bellevue, WA
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We are considering a job offer in Seattle having lived in the NYC suburbs for the past 2 years, and Los Angeles prior to that.
We want top-schools, but not a pressure-cooker environment and more important it has to have great programs for my 6 yo son with severe ADHD (after a year of mainstreaming in a K class with a 1:1 aide we are repeating K in a self-contained class, to give you an idea of severity. He also gets OT and social skills). We also have 2 other kids...one who will likely be in the gifted program and another who is too young to tell.
We are down to earth, but still moderately conservative. The city does not appeal to me at all, we just want a nice affluent, suburban area with tons of young, active families, lots of activities for the kids, shopping, and a super-tight night community. Our budget would ideally be around $750K for a newer 4BR (3500 sq. ft or less as we've never been in an area where you get huge house ). Commute would ideally be under 45 minutes to Seattle (are we reverse commute that way?)
I've been referred to these areas but don't know if one excels over the other. Thoughts?
Also, for anyone that has done anything even remotely similar, is the lack of sun really going to kill me? I love the sun, but not the heat/humidity and definitely not the snow and how isolating it is half the year. Is it easy to meet people out there? I feel like we just got here but unfortunately my husband's job calls, and truth be told we are not thrilled with the quality of life/cost of living on the east coast. Thanks in advance.
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08-29-2012, 07:16 AM
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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The rain is far more than half the year. Currently, the weather people on the news are making a big deal out of it being 37 days without rain. Generally we get all of August, most of July dry, any other month there will be some rain.
If you decide you can deal with the weather I would recommend Sammamish, where you can still get an older 3,000 sf home on 1/3 acre for $750,000 or less. There are new homes that size and price but they are on minimum sized lots. The Lake Washington School District has good special ed programs and those in Sammamish tend to be better because the affluent parents hire attorneys and advocates to make sure their child gets the attention they need. The commute is 45-50 minutes depending on which bridge you take. There is really no reverse commute, people go from Seattle to the east side to work as well as the other way. You can cut the commute in half by moving to Mercer island which has even better schools but higher home prices. My recommendation is to start by looking at the special needs program information on the websites of the school districts, then make a call to the head of the department to discuss in detail.
08-29-2012, 09:55 AM
Location: Bellevue, WA
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Thanks. I glanced at homes on Mercer Island and don't think we would find anything suitable there. In our range they were all smallish and 70s-ish, which is the hardest style to undo.
We actually don't want an older home, but would like a neighborhood with some character. Is there an area further than M.I., but closer than Sammamish? I'd like to keep the commute as short as possible while still maintaining the schools, vibe, etc. Our lot now is 8500 sq. ft. and it's fine. I prefer to have my neighbors closer as I don't really like or need privacy (again, I've only lived in suburbs of LA and NY so living anywhere even remotely urban would kill me). Our neighborhood now is literally like Wisteria Lane with a bunch of SAHMs and young kids everywhere on bikes, scooters, you name it. Is there anywhere like that?
08-29-2012, 11:06 AM
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The Lake Washington School district is especially noted for it's special needs programs. It's a big school district, encompassing Kirkland, Redmond, and the northern half of Sammamish. You also might look at Issaquah, it's a little closer than Sammamish.
08-29-2012, 11:12 AM
Location: Bellevue, WA
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Commute-wise, which is closest of those? Wouldn't Bellevue offer the best commute of all? It looks great on paper. Is one area/district more universally wealthy?
OT, how on earth do you guys spend so little on education and get such great results? Tons of fundraising? Just smart parents? We spend almost $20K per kid in public school (I guess that is also why our property taxes run about 3% a year!) How big is your K class, for instance, and do they have aides in there?
08-29-2012, 11:42 AM
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Bellevue would be the closest and offer the best commute, depending on where in Seattle the job is and where in Bellevue the job is. If the job's in the south end of Seattle and the house is in NE Bellevue, it wouldn't be a picnic.
Bellevue is not universally wealthy, it does have some poverty/lower middle class spots, and so does Kirkland. They both have some fabulously wealthy areas as well. Sammamish doesn't seem to have poorer areas. Sure, they have some older developments, but nothing that's particularly run down.
08-29-2012, 12:09 PM
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Bellevue does have a very good program for special need students. My son did receive services at his local public school for his ADHD. He was in a regular classroom and was pulled out for his services which may or may not work for your child. I also know a student that had a specialist with him one on one for the entire day to make sure he stays on task. There is another program for students who need more services when the 'pull out of class' type of learning doesn't work. I've attached the website and I would definitely give them a call and just explain your child's needs and ask the necessary questions pertaining to your child. I was satisfied with my sons' specialists. I thought his speech and OT were excellent, however, the social skills specialist I was not as impressed and feel it really didn't help my son much at all to make friends. Here is the attached link..
Behavioral Intervention : Special Education : Student Services : Departments : Bellevue School District
I honestly don't know much about Cascade but just know it's available for kids who have difficulty learning in a regular classroom and who are disruptive to their fellow classmates in a regular classroom. Obviously there will an abundance amount of testing your child will need to go through to make a determination.
Good luck. It's not easy finding the right match. If I can answer any of your questions, let me know. I also heard Lake Washington School District has an excellent program as well so I would definitely give them a call too. I've found their website and have attached that link for you.
http://www.lwsd.org/Parents/Special-...s/default.aspx
08-29-2012, 01:16 PM
Location: Bellevue, WA
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I believe that his office would be in the Queen Anne neighborhood. How much further would a Sammamish or Redmond commute add daily?
I hate to even ask this, but even though Bellevue and Kirkland have poorer areas (where are they?), are the schools seperate all the way through HS? Seriously, I cringe at myself asking that, but in my experience, any school with poor areas feeding into it eventually goes down, not up, and I have 3 very young kids who need the best schools money has to offer.
Thanks for all of this great information. Long term, the full expectation is that my son can mainstream again. He's just caught in that super-hyper phase right now, and a class of 22 was just too stimulating for him. He has no cognitive issues...just needs a small class.
08-29-2012, 07:59 PM
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Bellevue's schools are all outstanding in comparison with other school districts. Seriously. The district is serious about performance, as are the parents. Many parents move into the district because of its schools. Also, "poorer" in Bellevue is not saying much...there are no slums in Bellevue, only some older 1950s-1960s neighborhoods and apartment buildings. The "poorer" area of Bellevue is Crossroads, and that is some people's favorite part of Bellevue. It is the most racially diverse, with a lot of more recent transplants due to its proximity to Microsoft, and has a really unique mall that acts as a sort of community gathering spot. Even the "bad" schools in the BSD are high-performing, especially at the high school level. I don't know as much about all of the elementary schools, but I think if the high schools are all far above state average, it's fair to conclude the elementary and middle schools probably are, too.
The western and south side of Bellevue is wealthy, and even though most of the homes in those parts were build in the 70s-90s, they'd be at the top of your price range. Bellevue has been established as a WASPy area for quite some time, and there just isn't the land for new neighborhoods/homes. New construction is generally tear-downs, and the houses that go up in the place of the old ones are expppeeeeensive.
Bellevue is also growing as a city of its own, and no longer resembles the suburb it once was. Wisteria Lane it is not. If you want that, look to Sammamish. Or if you want Issaquah School District (excellent), you can look in the Lakemont neighborhood of Bellevue, or parts of Newcastle. Those would fit what you are looking for, too. The reason most people aren't thinking of Bellevue for you is because you want new/newer construction, outstanding schools good for special needs, Wisteria Lane lifestyle, and $750k homes. The parts of Bellevue that fit that description are going to be out of your price range, and to be honest, Bellevue has been criticized for its lack of understanding when it comes to kids that don't fit inside the everyone-must-take-AP-classes box.
08-29-2012, 08:42 PM
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Funny, you hit the nail on the head about special needs kids in Bellevue. I cringed reading about Newport and BHS reviews on Greatschools...that is the equivalent of our Scarsdale, and one that I shunned entirely. I don't want my kids competing with a bunch of Tiger Moms' kids, then being wearhoused in the alternative school when they burn out, which I can nearly guarantee with my son. He's only just starting but I always look at the HS info. as that is where you really learn what the district stands for. It's always warm and fuzzy in elementary to an extent.
We can go closer to $1M...I just would prefer not to but husband says that is sort of par for the course even though I wrongly assumed that Seattle would be way cheaper than NY or LA. What is the commute to Queen Anne west from Sammamish or Lakeland? I want a great school that cares for the whole child and fosters real learning...not just regurgitating facts for tests or to get into an Ivy. I couldn't even believe that BHS only has 5 counselors for almost 2000 kids. Insane!
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)