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Old 04-07-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Eagle
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When I lived in Seattle I read a column by a Pioneer Square business owner about how the tolerance (that's a mild word) of the homeless was ruining Pioneer Square.

I've seen people sh*tting in the street in Pioneer Square. Nice neighborhood, eh?
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Old 04-07-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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When I lived in Seattle I read a column by a Pioneer Square business owner about how the tolerance (that's a mild word) of the homeless was ruining Pioneer Square.

I've seen people sh*tting in the street in Pioneer Square. Nice neighborhood, eh?
Ruining it? I don't recall that it was ever anything but a skid-row type place. Moving art galleries in didn't change that.
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Old 04-07-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: state of confusion
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Agree with Gardyloo. I walk in Pioneer every day to the Sounder train....development is occurring. New Bartell's, new apartments, etc. And as others have said, when the viaduct comes down, it's going to change even more. Hope they keep all the great architecture...being a historic district, guess they will have to.
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Okay, on the recommendation of several suburban, I presume, posters here, I suggest we, Seattleites, fund the Round-Up Bus Line, which would not just provide free rides to the homeless, but actually pay them, say $20, to use the service to drop them off in a variety of suburban centers, including Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond, Bothell, Issaquah, etc., one way, operating in the morning. It'll be a whole lot easier and cheaper, not to mention, constitutional, if the homeless willingly deliver themselves to the buses, rather than the police having to forcefully round them up. The trips could be promoted as "homeless vacations". The above mentioned "destinations" would need to fund their own bus services, if they wish, to ferry them back into Seattle at the end of the day.

With the money the homeless could afford a bottle of Mad Dog or other fortified wine, malt liquor, etc. Being ferried out to fresh panhandling locations, they could use their gains to purchase meth, crack, or even heroin.

If receiving too many "boomerang" homeless back, additional incentives could be added. To entice more participation and encourage the riders to stay the night, a raffle could be run using the bus "tickets", with prizes for the winners including sleeping bags, tents, camping stoves, ponchos, and so on. The grand prize could be a new bike, allowing the winner to fully explore (and case?) their new neighborhood.
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Old 04-07-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Okay, on the recommendation of several suburban, I presume, posters here, I suggest we, Seattleites, fund the Round-Up Bus Line, which would not just provide free rides to the homeless, but actually pay them, say $20, to use the service to drop them off in a variety of suburban centers, including Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond, Bothell, Issaquah, etc., one way, operating in the morning. It'll be a whole lot easier and cheaper, not to mention, constitutional, if the homeless willingly deliver themselves to the buses, rather than the police having to forcefully round them up. The trips could be promoted as "homeless vacations". The above mentioned "destinations" would need to fund their own bus services, if they wish, to ferry them back into Seattle at the end of the day.

With the money the homeless could afford a bottle of Mad Dog or other fortified wine, malt liquor, etc. Being ferried out to fresh panhandling locations, they could use their gains to purchase meth, crack, or even heroin.

If receiving too many "boomerang" homeless back, additional incentives could be added. To entice more participation and encourage the riders to stay the night, a raffle could be run using the bus "tickets", with prizes for the winners including sleeping bags, tents, camping stoves, ponchos, and so on. The grand prize could be a new bike, allowing the winner to fully explore (and case?) their new neighborhood.
I happen to know of at least one case where a severely mentally ill homeless person was brought to Seattle and dropped off by the Bellevue PD, back in the early 2000s. There are still a few panhandlers in Bellevue, on freeway ramps, but some not actually homeless, they just discovered it to be an easier way to make a living than a real job.

Back to Pioneer Square, my bus home from work goes down second to S Washington, then to 4th to catch I90. Around 2nd & Washington we always see some interesting things going on. Sometimes involving the police, but usually just illegal transactions, or people laying in odd places who cannot be identified as alive or deceased from a bus window.
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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It was a fun area for live music bar hopping until about 2005, when most of those places closed. Once in awhile we still battle traffic and parking for comedy at Swannie's and the bands at The J&M. Not looking forward to the traffic mess there when the viaduct is gone.
I lived in the Seattle area in the late '90s, and we saw a lot of live music in Pioneer Square. Loved it. When I returned to the city in 2013 after 13 years away, Pioneer Square had changed a lot. Sad, I really liked it before.
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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With the money the homeless could afford a bottle of Mad Dog or other fortified wine, malt liquor, etc. Being ferried out to fresh panhandling locations, they could use their gains to purchase meth, crack, or even heroin.
Throw in a free carton of Lucky Strikes (filtered), I'm joining the pack!

...the pack of residents out in the streets with tar and feathers, i.e.
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Camano Island, WA. Sun City West AZ
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I lived in the Seattle area in the late '90s, and we saw a lot of live music in Pioneer Square. Loved it. When I returned to the city in 2013 after 13 years away, Pioneer Square had changed a lot. Sad, I really liked it before.
Yeah, looking at my records, it was about 2010 when the joint cover went away with only four bars still offering live music. Far from the 80s and 90s with as many as nine: Fenix Above, Fenix Under, Doc Maynard's, Old Timer's, New Orleans, Colourbox, Central Saloon, Larry's Greenfront and The Bohemian. Plus the OK Hotel and Catwalk off the grid. The J&M was a major meat market without live music back then, but is now one of just three places with regular live music: Central Saloon and 88 Keys the other two.

There was quite the festive atmosphere at night back then. DJ dance venues pretty much took over around 2010. Except for Trinity, they've thrown in the towel too. Not a dance joint, but I think Cowgirls gets a big rowdy turnout. I'm thankful for the PS music scene during my more ambitious younger years. Now we just go to the local music joints around home. If my younger years are now, I'd go there occasionally for Swannie's comedy followed by the J&M's live music. The Central is mostly hard rock. No interest in the glossy restaurants and expensive cocktails taking over.
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