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Old 04-07-2008, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Duvall, WA
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Programmers with degrees tend to write more elegant code and are better able at reducing "junk code" that just slows down processes. That's generally good for software companies, but not necessarily as good for programmers who work for smaller businesses, where code just needs to be written as fast (and as sloppily) as possible.
Oddly, my husband (without a degree) experiences the opposite. He is very into writing elegant code, and finds that many of his college-educated co-workers are the ones that write sloppy, wham-bam, get it out the door, crap code. Of course, that could be the companies he has worked for, but it's been at almost all of them.

V. =)
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:41 PM
 
Location: WA
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Oddly, my husband (without a degree) experiences the opposite. He is very into writing elegant code, and finds that many of his college-educated co-workers are the ones that write sloppy, wham-bam, get it out the door, crap code. Of course, that could be the companies he has worked for, but it's been at almost all of them.

V. =)

That actually supports my other theory, which is that "Every programmer thinks that he's the best programmer."

No programmer (including my husband) has ever let me down in this theory.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Austin 'burbs
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Veronica, your husbands experience mirrors mine.... he's also already been moved into management.

As a previous recruiter, I can tell you, the only place anyone cared about degrees (and even then, not always) was Director level positions.

A degree isn't going to pass your white board test. With quality experience... a recruiter isn't even going to look at the second page of your resume.

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That might be, but my husband is being moved into management, without a degree. He is in the tech industry, so again, it could be that.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:15 PM
 
Location: WA
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But being a manager involves working with people! No programmer wants to do that.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Default Get the degree

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As a previous recruiter, I can tell you, the only place anyone cared about degrees (and even then, not always) was Director level positions.

I usually agree with Jenbar about most stuff but not today! I am a former technical recruiter, too, and I think the college degree matters. There are cases where it doesn't, like if someone is a rock star or the economy is booming and a talent shortage is in play. In general, though, there is sufficient competition in today's tech scene that it can keep you from getting a job that you want if you don't have a bachelors degree. That doesn't mean you won't find a different job, but if you can convince an employer to pay for your degree, take the opportunity.
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Duvall, WA
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That actually supports my other theory, which is that "Every programmer thinks that he's the best programmer."

No programmer (including my husband) has ever let me down in this theory.
My husband doesn't, actually, but I'm a programmer, too, so I know his code is elegant looking at it. He's pretty humble about it. That's one of the things he and I had in common when we met, though, our love of clean code.

V. =)
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Austin 'burbs
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But being a manager involves working with people! No programmer wants to do that.
Pretty wide generalization... of course you know that's not true....
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:39 AM
 
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Programmers with degrees tend to write more elegant code and are better able at reducing "junk code" that just slows down processes. That's generally good for software companies, but not necessarily as good for programmers who work for smaller businesses, where code just needs to be written as fast (and as sloppily) as possible.
Well that would be good, but I am not getting a degree in CS. I wanted to be prepared to enter multiple markets or be able to move through departments. I'm heading for a Business degree in Finance, possible minoring in a foreign language. German or Chinese, haven't picked yet.

Having this, I figured I might be looked at as a more management and even executive material. But not sure if that is true or not.
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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My husband doesn't, actually, but I'm a programmer, too, so I know his code is elegant looking at it. He's pretty humble about it. That's one of the things he and I had in common when we met, though, our love of clean code.

V. =)
Aww...that's so romantic! (=
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