Jay insalee extended Washington's stay at home order until may 31,2020 (mortgage, to buy)

[Transmition]

I thought this thread was going to be about Representative Matt Shea.

[AADAD]

Originally Posted by UrbanAdventurer

Just be patient. They will ratchet up the police state nonsense as the weeks drag on and people start to kick back and protest. This will escalate you can mark my words. Los Angeles just announced a 3 month entension of their lockdown. Anybody care to place any wagers on how long before serious Paris-style civil unrest breaks out as people’s money and ability to feed themselves runs dry?

I watched the whole Inslee video...very dismaying. Yeah, statewide testing is not mandatory...for now at least. Again, betting table is open so place your wagers on how many weeks slide by before they change their tune and decide testing is “not so optional” any longer, if you expect to be able to leave your house without fear of detainment, search and seizure if you can’t produce your “papers”. Then it may start to dawn on more people. This is literally how totalitarian regimes conduct business. (Pick your favorite one.)

Ergo the thread title. There is a world of difference between following an ill person who presents to the hospital and a person who dines out who is healthy.

The fact that this difference is lost on a couple hysterical posters -who like to label other people- is not a surprise.

[Cinema Cat]

Originally Posted by HJ99

We got fascist demagogue prez in 2016

Trump is one of the least "fascist" presidents we've had in a long time.

Fascists like to invade foreign nations. Trump has been under enormous pressure to invade Syria and Iran, yet has been dragging his feet. After much pressure, he bombed an empty airfield runway in Syria, and shot a missile at an Iranian general in Iraq. But he's resisted full blown war on those nations.

Trump wants to withdraw American troops from around the world. The opposite of fascist.

Obama was more of a fascist than is Trump. Consider Obama's military intervention in Libya. Bush 2 in Afghanistan and Iraq. Clinton in the Balkan wars. Bush 1 in Kuwait.

Trump promised no more foreign wars, and he's the first president who's actually trying to carry out that promise, despite enormous pressure from Deep State Neocons in both the Democratic and Republican parties, and in media and academia, in the military industrial complex and the intelligence community.

How is Trump fascist? By enforcing immigration laws that were already on the books for decades, and supported (at least in lip service) by both Democrats and Republicans?

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by Transmition

I thought this thread was going to be about Representative Matt Shea.

That would at least pertain to Washington. We have posters commenting from other states because it's politics.

It's not fascism to trace a lethal virus within the state. This is the kind of rhetoric one hears from anti-vaxxers.

Originally Posted by AADAD

Ergo the thread title. There is a world of difference between following an ill person who presents to the hospital and a person who dines out who is healthy.

The fact that this difference is lost on a couple hysterical posters -who like to label other people- is not a surprise.

It's amazing one would have to explain this. The incubation period is 14 days. A person dining may appear healthy but could be carrying the virus. If someone sits in the middle of Ivars at Pier 54 and ten days later is diagnosed with the virus, is it fascism to ask what places he might have exposed people? When HIV was first being traced, they did the same thing. Was that fascism? If a teacher is discovered to have the virus, while appearing healthy, is it right for the teacher to refuse that students be notified because fascism?

[AADAD]

Originally Posted by Seacove

That would at least pertain to Washington. We have posters commenting from other states because it's politics.

It's not fascism to trace a lethal virus within the state. This is the kind of rhetoric one hears from anti-vaxxers.

person who presents to the hospital and a person who dines out who is healthy.

The fact that this difference is lost on a couple hysterical posters -who like to label other people- is not a surprise.

It's amazing one would have to explain this. The incubation period is 14 days. A person dining may appear healthy but could be carrying the virus. If someone sits in the middle of Ivars at Pier 54 and ten days later is diagnosed with the virus, is it fascism to ask what places he might have exposed people? When HIV was first being traced, they did the same thing. Was that fascism? If a teacher is discovered to have the virus, while appearing healthy, is it right for the teacher to refuse that students be notified because fascism? This is beyond ridiculous and is a perfect example of the absolute foolishness of Trump supporters. The same ones screaming about socialism, applaud the billions being directed their way in the form of various handouts, including posts of "where do I get mine?!".[/quote]

Seacove you like to cover a lot of ground I believe personally to confuse but I leave the an open question.

Statistically rates are significantly down trending. Our hospital at peak had 60 -70 patients now? about 15.

The line between societal protection and fascism is a thin one. That is why the book The Banality of Evil was written. In it, the author demonstrated in compelling fashion how one step led to another step to another step and all of them relatively innocuous. In this way fascists (since it was mentioned the worse -nazi) well use that one. Each step seemed benign. "do you want to ride in the train or ride the horse". The trains went to auchwitz the horses to France. Do you want to eat dinner tonight in the room or in the house? Benign. But later do you want to shower in the chamber or in the shower room (both had gas). Each step seemed palatable and a choice.

So while you moan and bemoan the fascist nature and cite me as a health care provider who should know better both your reasonsing and your deductions are naive. Truly naive. When you start carding ordinary citizens when they are enjoying their lives that is the line. And we all (mostly all) know it in our gut. So before you step on your stoop again to spout off against me, do your homework.

“Evil comes from a failure to think. It defies thought for as soon as thought tries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises and principles from which it originates, it is frustrated because it finds nothing there. That is the banality of evil.” Hannah Arendt

[Seacove]

So a medical professional opposes contact tracing because the cases are declining DURING A QUARANTINE.

By all means, oppose contact tracing but in doing so, one would hopefully agree to stay silent when the cases increase again. Faux concern or appeals for sympathy would appear contradictory otherwise.

[AADAD]

Originally Posted by Seacove

So a medical professional opposes contact tracing because the cases are declining DURING A QUARANTINE.

By all means, oppose contact tracing but in doing so, one would hopefully agree to stay silent when the cases increase again. Faux concern or appeals for sympathy would appear contradictory otherwise.

I cannot help you any further.

[Montezia]

Originally Posted by UrbanAdventurer

Just be patient. They will ratchet up the police state nonsense as the weeks drag on and people start to kick back and protest. This will escalate you can mark my words. Los Angeles just announced a 3 month entension of their lockdown. Anybody care to place any wagers on how long before serious Paris-style civil unrest breaks out as people’s money and ability to feed themselves runs dry?

I watched the whole Inslee video...very dismaying. Yeah, statewide testing is not mandatory...for now at least. Again, betting table is open so place your wagers on how many weeks slide by before they change their tune and decide testing is “not so optional” any longer, if you expect to be able to leave your house without fear of detainment, search and seizure if you can’t produce your “papers”. Then it may start to dawn on more people. This is literally how totalitarian regimes conduct business. (Pick your favorite one.)

Wow, scary for LA. I am glad I don't live there. LA was apparently pretty bad with all the homelessness before all of this. There have been food lines and a huge amount of unemployment. I am curious to see how the government intends to keep funding the shutdown.

[CrazyDonkey]

From the CDC:

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/about...isolation.html

Equating this to "fascism" (as the OP has) and "Nazism" (as others in this thread have) is dangerous and irresponsible. People urging others to follow social distancing have been physically attacked and one person has been killed. Think before you post.

[AADAD]

As I said it's a fine line. To each his own. Equating your reasonable post and link it up to describe killing people does not do any one any good. But let me ask you. How would you feel if you had dinner and forgot to sign in and the police put a red sticker on your door informing you and yours you could not leave?