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Old 09-12-2020, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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covid is more deadly than some smoke
Yes, again, it's mostly deadly in old and in those with particular conditions.
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Old 09-12-2020, 08:37 PM
 
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trumps response to fires last time in ca was to rake the forest what a nutcase
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:15 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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trumps response to fires last time in ca was to rake the forest what a nutcase
Well he's a climate change denier, so it's got to be blamed on some other cause. Like illegal aliens, or wind farms.
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:44 PM
 
Location: West Coast
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Air quality supposed to improve after this weekend, usually W. Wa has among the purest air in the world, so it’ll be nice to get that back
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Old 09-13-2020, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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trumps response to fires last time in ca was to rake the forest what a nutcase

Well, I don't know what the real quote in context was, but he's right if he's saying that forest management has a lot to do with major fire prevention. (A lot more to do with it than climate change does)

Thick underbrush and dead wood are fire fuel. The forests can either be cleared out through fire, or through forestry. If they're not cleared by forestry, they will eventually burn.

I happen to think forestry is far less harmful than fire. And I say this as someone who has spent a lot of time riding and recreating in managed timber and seen and enjoyed all the wildlife that live there and thrive in varied patchwork landscapes of clearcuts, young growth, and mature trees.

I'd love to have a serious conversation with people about well managed forestry and it's enormous benefits to people, wildlife, and the environment. Any time.
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Old 09-13-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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covid is more deadly than some smoke

Bull. I can avoid covid by staying away from people. I can't stop breathing.
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Old 09-13-2020, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Bull. I can avoid covid by staying away from people. I can't stop breathing.
Well said. Bad air affects everyone all the time.
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Old 09-13-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Well, I don't know what the real quote in context was, but he's right if he's saying that forest management has a lot to do with major fire prevention. (A lot more to do with it than climate change does)
Yes, forest management can help prevent fires. The difference that climate change has made is the fire season is increasingly longer and dryer, resulting in more extensive fires once they do start. Plus people are building more in areas with fire risk, increasing the risk to human lives.

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A California report projects that, if greenhouse gas emissions and global temperatures continue to rise, by the end of the century extreme wildfires that burn more than 10,000 hectares could increase by nearly 50 percent, and the average area burned could increase by 77 percent. Westerling contributed to the report, which was released in August.
The end result is that the west coast will need to budget ever more more money on forestry management and fighting fires and evacuating at-risk residents.
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Old 09-13-2020, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Yes, forest management can help prevent fires. The difference that climate change has made is the fire season is increasingly longer and dryer, resulting in more extensive fires once they do start. Plus people are building more in areas with fire risk, increasing the risk to human lives.

The end result is that the west coast will need to budget ever more more money on forestry management and fighting fires and evacuating at-risk residents.
Forest management is the only thing we can hope to do better.

I tend to prefer focusing on those things which we can actually do something about, and usually, climate change is not one of those things... but just for conversation sake, do you respect Cliff Mass? He recently published a podcast which talks about whether these fires have anything to do with climate change.As a scientist and professor at UW, he has spent his life and career studying our local climate and I think he deserves a listen.

Scroll down to the bottom of this post to find a link to it... it's not long and he's an interesting speaker:

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/...o-to-zero.html
Second half of the video in particular talks about the climate issue.
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Old 09-13-2020, 05:37 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I understand that there's not a lot we can do about climate change in the short run. But denying that it is a major factor doesn't help the situation. We'll need to plan for the impact and budget accordingly.
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