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Old 09-22-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Disagree.
with respect. noted.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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Speaking of consequences, do we really want to live in a country where the President is attacking locales because of their voting pattern?
For decades, Democrats have used federal funding as a means to force their "progressive" social policies onto conservative states.


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What goes around comes around.
Yup.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:19 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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For decades, Democrats have used federal funding as a means to force their "progressive" social policies onto conservative states.
Forced, huh? Right. Way to deflect.

But that's the modern political debate for you. Everybody talks past everybody else. Whatever. I do know this whole initiative is election year driven. After the vote is cast, it will go away unless there's some political advantage to be gained. In the end it will all just be part of the Trump's Work Assurance for Lawyers Act (WALA), all paid for by the taxpayers.

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Old 09-22-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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No. The only solution is to vote against the orangeman.

You guys in Seattle are having problems with an Ulsterman? The Troubles ( Na Triobloidi) have spread to Seattle? I'm surprised that hasn't made the international news.


My feelings on the Seattle election is that if the people of Seattle are well satisfied with how things have been going in their city, then they should vote in the incumbents and expect a lot more of the same.


I can't think of any reason for the taxpayers of the other states to give bunches of money to Seattle when Seattle is so un-American and so hostile to the people of the rest of the country. But hey, it's your city and if you are enjoying the rioting and vandalism and crime, then keep on voting the same way. Don't expect the rest of the country to be delighted to pay for it.

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Old 09-22-2020, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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No it is not spooky. It is the truth. I can't speak for an admittedly poor Seattle government at present, but in general the federal government has no say in how States and/or Cities run their business, if they do so under federal law. I find it quite disgusting that Trump has threatened to withhold funds because he disagrees with WA politics. THAT should be very "spooky" to anyone in the United States of America. Please refresh your understanding of State rights.
Disagreeing with state politics is one thing, having the police stand down while subjecting law abiding citizens and businesses to Burn Loot Murder is another, on top of NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. We've all seen the people that run over someone trying to escape a mob attacking them in their vehicle get arrested, while the DA's are turning the violent protestors loose.
It's the democrats that are guilty of supporting the insurrection, have sided with the violent protestors by their inaction, and have their DA's letting protestors go without prosecution. Meanwhile those that try to defend themselves and/or their property get the book thrown at them. Enough of the projection already!
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Old 09-22-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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In general, the President has no authority to withhold already appropriated funds to local jurisdictions unless receipt of those funds is contingent on local authorities meeting certain conditions. I doubt if “maintaining law and order” is one of those conditions, however. Trump is merely feeding red meat to his supporters in the same way he did when he threatened to override local authorities decisions re pandemic lockdowns.

The lawlessness in Seattle and elsewhere is a problem to be sure. And it’s one local officials and their citizens have to address, not the feds.
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Old 09-22-2020, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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In general, the President has no authority to withhold already appropriated funds to local jurisdictions unless receipt of those funds is contingent on local authorities meeting certain conditions. I doubt if “maintaining law and order” is one of those conditions, however. Trump is merely feeding red meat to his supporters in the same way he did when he threatened to override local authorities decisions re pandemic lockdowns.

The lawlessness in Seattle and elsewhere is a problem to be sure. And it’s one local officials and their citizens have to address, not the feds.
Did I miss something? (Bolded above).

The thing is, the local officials aren't listening to their people/voters.
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Old 09-22-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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Haha just wait until Trump’s Supreme Court confirmation, and then imagine the riots when he wins the election....Haven’t seen anything yet.

By the way, deadline for Covid funds passed from Federal Government is approaching and cities are wasting it on their agenda items and pet projects. So as a resident of Washington, I would be very upset if my tax money went to rebuild Portland after they abandoned it and let it be destroyed. That is why money for state and local governments is such a big sticking point. It’s not used for Covid in many cases, it’s used for pacification and shoring up poorly run budgets.

It’s also funny to see the same people crying about withholding federal funding say it’s ok for Newsom to withhold money from counties and cities that don’t follow his decree.

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Old 09-22-2020, 07:20 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Haha just wait until Trump’s Supreme Court confirmation, and then imagine the riots when he wins the election....Haven’t seen anything yet.
I wonder if DJT's base is familiar with the German word schadenfreude? It seems to be a common theme.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Ipswich, MA
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You fail to recognize the problem. Trump is the problem. Threatening federal funds is not only unethical but illegal to the constitution of the United States.
Aren’t you ignoring WHY President Trump has threatened this? If local leaders hadn’t failed their citizens so spectacularly he wouldn’t be threatening this whether legal or not.
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