Just convinced my 5th Seattleite to not get the vaccine!! What have you done lately? (stats, estimates)

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by flyingsaucermom

Well then I guess that leaves anti vaccine people very few options...

With other vaccines they benefit from herd immunity, which is largely due to school vaccine mandates. What is crazy is they not only do not want to vaccinate themselves and their families - and do not want mandates - they actively discourage everyone else from vaccinating, increasing vaccine hesitancy and ultimately making mandates more likely.

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

With other vaccines they benefit from herd immunity, which is largely due to school vaccine mandates. What is crazy is they not only do not want to vaccinate themselves and their families - and do not want mandates - they actively discourage everyone else from vaccinating, increasing vaccine hesitancy and ultimately making mandates more likely.

I have no problem with vaccine mandates when necessary. I realize that is what this poster started as but then we moved on to mask mandates which I don’t think are necessary for the vaccinated. I don’t know if we should make Covid vaccines mandatory. I’m not neatly qualified to have an opinion. And actually I really don’t care. The four of us in my family got it because it will make for more convenience as options to travel and participate in youth sports without wearing a mask increase. Concern for our health is was a tertiary consideration. With a mortality rate of less than 1% for our ages I care as much about the Covid vaccine as I do the influenza. Sure... if it’s convenient to get like I’m in for a check up.. why not? I’m not the type that thinks something very bad will happen if I get a vaccine.

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by rjshae

You are conveniently missing the point. The underlying mechanisms of containing an airborne pandemic through quarantine measure remain the same. It was the implementation of these measures that kept it from getting completely out of hand this time.

Back in 1918, most infected people died of pneumonia because not enough medical treatment was available. The odds of dying from pneumonia then was roughly 50%. If COVID-19 case are allowed to massively overruns the hospital, then guess how people die? Pneumonia. We managed to avoid that scenario through quarantine measures, but some countries did not. Yes this was a real pandemic, and could have been a lot more deadly.

The biggest difference between then and now is the availability of vaccines. Which are working quite dramatically.

Vaccines that came out several months later, prevented a 1918 death rate? The quarantines didn't do anything for healthy people, in fact it came with a mountain of collateral damage such as suicides, job loss and new health issues. If it was so bad, why were common sense natural supplements etc not promoted and even censored? I know why. It's to depopulate and make money doing it, among many other reasons I won't get into here.

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by fnh

You offer no source whatsoever for the image you posted, which practically anyone could generate, and a quick search of the lower left stamp yields 4chan results. Please try again.

Look at the bottom and type it in, the source is there. Your own CDC who is still changing the provisional data. Nothing fishy there right?

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by SusVelo

Did you take that directly from scopes? lol.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ty...-covid-deaths/

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/13...113200646?s=20

Those articles are a dime a dozen. They say that covid takes a long time to count, but those of us who think, know its just to fudge the numbers. The real numbers are the pre-provisional numbers which are now removed/ defaced/ censored.

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by xGrendelx

I'd say you've been pretty lucky then and you should feel grateful. I'm an essential worker and have spent most of the past year in the office, and my place of employment has had to close temporarily for sanitization 5 or 6 times in the past year because coworkers confirmed to have COVID came in to work.

I also have a friend in NYC whose entire family contracted COVID around this time last year, as well as another friend in Massachusetts who was hospitalized with COVID (all have recovered fully).

In fact, I honestly don't know many people who don't know at least one person who contracted it. I even have a coworker whose elderly friend died from COVID last year.

It's awesome that you've been able to avoid the virus, and you're right that it's difficult to be worried about something you don't personally see, but not everyone has had that experience. With over 33 million confirmed cases in the US alone, it's easy to imagine that most of us have someone in our lives who contracted it.

Your work place closed, but that doesn't mean they had to. My company had a couple covid cases, which were non symptomatic. We didn't have to close because the workers were confined to a certain department.

The covid testing sensitivity varies and has been changed to pick up noncovid infections and count it, so many elderly deaths were of other causes. Nobody in my family or circle of friends have become sick. I go out daily all over and literally seen zero people drop dead on the street. Many drug overdoses though, never mind that. Cancer etc has to take a back seat to covid, our new disease that we are all excited about.

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

With other vaccines they benefit from herd immunity, which is largely due to school vaccine mandates. What is crazy is they not only do not want to vaccinate themselves and their families - and do not want mandates - they actively discourage everyone else from vaccinating, increasing vaccine hesitancy and ultimately making mandates more likely.

40-50% of our employees are Not vaccinated - Fauci, May 2021

You don't trust half of NIH employees?

[fnh]

Originally Posted by jerzdevil

Look at the bottom and type it in, the source is there. Your own CDC who is still changing the provisional data. Nothing fishy there right?

Um, no. Anyone with a keyboard can type letters to include a 'link' on a faked image. Just because a 'link' appears there means nothing. I can add a link to this post and it does not mean this comment is official CDC guidance. Here, try it for yourself:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/p...nal-tables.htm

Also, do you not understand what the word 'provisional' means??

Provisional: Arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/provisional

[rjshae]

Originally Posted by jerzdevil

40-50% of our employees are Not vaccinated - Fauci, May 2021

You don't trust half of NIH employees?

Fact Check-Fauci, Marks did not say 40% to 50% of CDC and FDA employees are ‘refusing the COVID-19 vaccine’

Fauci and Marks said to believe around 50% to 60% of their employees at the NIAID and the FDA had been immunized against COVID-19, but they did not say the remaining percentage represented employees refused vaccination.

[jerzdevil]

Originally Posted by fnh

Um, no. Anyone with a keyboard can type letters to include a 'link' on a faked image. Just because a 'link' appears there means nothing. I can add a link to this post and it does not mean this comment is official CDC guidance. Here, try it for yourself:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/p...nal-tables.htm

Also, do you not understand what the word 'provisional' means??

Provisional: Arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/provisional

So if I typed out the link it would be more creditable than it as shown in the image? It is the same link! I thought CDC is the most creditable course?

I don't need definitions, I know exactly what they are doing and why they use this crazy language to fudge numbers, all while trying to sound honest. Why change numbers for several months? Rhetorical question. Bottom line, people believe anything no matter how many times CDC backtracks and do 180s on their statements.