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Old 08-05-2009, 03:15 PM
 
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It looks like Seattle is taking a step in the right direction. Portland started it. Now Seattle is doing. More cities need to do this. Here is where I got the article:Local News | Seattle to gain electric car charging stations | Seattle Times Newspaper
BTW, that is a typo on the top. It is car-charging stations.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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The Obama administration is considering a subsidy to add electric car or hybrid car charging stations in your own home. That could spur more of these to happen. Regardless of whether you think that electric cars really are the way to go or not, it's inevitable and I think we're moving back to the days of when cars were first invented, there was steam, electric, and gas engines all with about equal share of the market. Eventually gas won out because of its inherent utility and ease of extraction.
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Lowlands
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I hope the drivers that park and recharge at these charges are also ripped of by the high parking fees/taxes.
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:13 PM
 
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I hope the drivers that park and recharge at these charges are also ripped of by the high parking fees/taxes.
Why would you hope for something like that? I think the electric car-charging stations should be expanded all over the nation, to give people options.
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Lowlands
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Why would you hope for something like that? I think the electric car-charging stations should be expanded all over the nation, to give people options.
Why should a person who can spend $50k on electric car be exempt paying parking fees/taxes?
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:00 PM
 
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Why should a person who can spend $50k on electric car be exempt paying parking fees/taxes?
Why would you hope someone gets ripped off by parking fees? I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I remember configuring car charging stations back in the 70's. Co-workers had a whole section of the parking lot at work (Colorado). We made ~ 10 of them from Simcas, Cortinas, MG's and Triumphs, and a couple VWs.

bout time we upgraded the PNW region

I'd say make a 'EV-Pusher' lots cheaper than $50k, maybe $5k
EV Pusher | MrSharkey.Com (Probably cheaper than each charging station will be.... but we will need more parking
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Old 08-17-2009, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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I'm not in favor of the electric vehicle charging stations.

My reason is simple: I don't see how it is efficient to burn fossil fuels at a generating plant to produce electricity, transport the electricity across the state/nation to the city, charge a battery, discharge a battery, and use the remaining electricity to power an electric motor. Energy is converted to heat (waste) at every one of these stages.

A lot of people point out that automotive engines are very inefficient. That is true. The efficiency of any sort of heat engine (gas turbine, internal combustion engine, combined cycle, etc) is limited to nothing better than the Carnot cycle and a significant amount of energy is wasted as heat. This is true whether the fuel is burned in a car or at a remote location.

All electric vehicles do today is cause the burning of fossil fuel to a place that is out of sight, out of mind.


(With that said, electric vehicle technology combined with increased hydro, nuclear, solar, or other types of electricity that do not generate emissions is very good. What I'm saying is that simply using our existing infrastructure and fossil fuel powered generating stations to charge electric cars is not beneficial.)
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Lowlands
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An electric car that is charged while parked is fine, but it isn't charged by magical fairy dust like the Seattle/US government wishes you'd believe.
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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I'm not in favor of the electric vehicle charging stations.

My reason is simple: I don't see how it is efficient to burn fossil fuels at a generating plant to produce electricity, transport the electricity across the state/nation to the city, charge a battery, discharge a battery, and use the remaining electricity to power an electric motor. Energy is converted to heat (waste) at every one of these stages.

A lot of people point out that automotive engines are very inefficient. That is true. The efficiency of any sort of heat engine (gas turbine, internal combustion engine, combined cycle, etc) is limited to nothing better than the Carnot cycle and a significant amount of energy is wasted as heat. This is true whether the fuel is burned in a car or at a remote location.

All electric vehicles do today is cause the burning of fossil fuel to a place that is out of sight, out of mind.


(With that said, electric vehicle technology combined with increased hydro, nuclear, solar, or other types of electricity that do not generate emissions is very good. What I'm saying is that simply using our existing infrastructure and fossil fuel powered generating stations to charge electric cars is not beneficial.)
If it is possible to do all of that, which it is, why not just do it?
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