Do Most of You Feel Disaster Is Imminent in America? (filter, cost)
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I don't believe it is imminent, the best characteristic to have is the ability to adapt to changing conditions.
With so many dependent on the government, I fear they won't adapt to having less given to them. There are a set of people dependent on the government for food, clothing, shelter and spending money. I just don't see these type adapting very well.
As the OP, I do realize every generation has its chalanges and hardships, however I was referring to major upheval that may be worse than its predecesors. I frankly wonder how sustainable out current state in America really is. Now with the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons, we could face an unprecedented disaster, one which could effectively exterminate a large percent of the populace. Plus, in yrs past like during the Civil War or even the Great Depression, we were not dependent on technology for survival. Imagine what could happen if the power grid was wiped out, people are so dependent on computers and electricity which causes us to face new scenarios if a large scale disaster/attack were to occur.
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Originally Posted by Kristin85
If you are still searching and haven't been completely disenchanted, you may want to go back to considering Maine. Yes, a lot of the soil is rocky and you won't be able to grow much of anything from November to March (get ready for canning, freezing, and pickling) but you may find that you can find affordable land that is arable. There are a lot of small family run and owned farm stands in Maine, so it is possible. You may be in a town that isn't conveniently located near a hospital and most of the schools aren't great (hence why homeschooling is popular there) but you can find a way to make it work. Water is plentiful and land outside of the Southern coast is cheap. However, living comfortably and self sufficiently is near impossible anywhere in the US unless you have a lot of money for prime land, quality housing, and farming costs. You or your other family members will likely need to do odd jobs or at least get a part time job in order to pay for property taxes, a car, gas/oil, wood (if you don't chop it yourself), etc. Ideal situations are just incredibly hard to come by regardless of how much research you put into it. If only we could all inherit fertile soil in Hawaii, right?
As for the OT: a disaster has happened within every generation of our country's existence whether it was based on war, famine (dust bowl), or stock market crashes leading to Depression. It's idiotic to think that another 100 years will go by without something terrible happening that significantly affects the entire country. People who don't consider "what ifs" are fooling themselves into thinking we're living in a perfect age.
This is probably one of the best posts I've seen at this site. You summed up my thoughts exactly.
I write letters to congress critters, I vote, I do all within my power to be a good citizen, but I've lost hope in my ability to effect any change.
Frankly, few things are more depressing than to think you have no control over your environment. We now have 535 (+ Obama, that's 536) kings and queens, living in splendiferous finery and doing so at taxpayer expense.
I'm fed up with our government, and I'm fed up with entitlement programs and I'm fed up with people who *take* taxpayer dollars through welfare, and *THEN* walk four blocks into my 'hood to steal more money from me and my neighbors.
I've had it.
Rose
Aye, that lad is pretty bright most of the time.
Jet is too, but it's hard to get past his radicalisms' He doesn't mean them to be, but the news is so shocking it can't be helped.
He is Right On (here I'ld like to say; The Money, but there isn't any)
Whats Law and what 'we' think Law is, most often is 2 very different things..
jmellc, NH is a Police State and has been all my life so far 59 years and counting. What Police do, is enforce taxes.
I see all fees and fines as taxes,esides what the varrious Govts admitt to taxing.
There is Liberty that you can drive so fast as your vehical will go, so long as you pay the tax. Modern people get it mixed up sometimes as speed most certainly does Not Kill. The stop is the problem. (an example)
I used to talk a lot with people who serviced copiers & other office machines. Those who served government offices had many stories of how many people were on staff there & how little they actually worked. True on a state level as well, to a lesser extent. I knew someone who had worked in a NC govmt office & told of having to find things to do, as she was not a person who could just sit still.
These are only a few examples. Most of us have seen our own examples wherever we live & work.
I had a friend who recently fired a woman in his office (his business, too). She'd worked for the state of Illinois for *years* before coming to work for his company. Despite his best and most persistent efforts to train her, he had to fire her after 18 months. His reason: She thought that if she "worked" for 40 minutes a day, she'd accomplished a whole lot.
He tried and tried to explain to her that she was being paid for eight hours and she needed to work at least six or seven hours. After so many years in a do-nothing job for the state of Illinois, she could not adjust to actually "working" for a living.
Multiply *that* times the millions of people who are working at local, state and federal government offices.
Years ago, 22% of Americans drew a paycheck (pension or current employment) from local, state or federal government. How is that sustainable? It is not.
Jet is too, but it's hard to get past his radicalisms' He doesn't mean them to be, but the news is so shocking it can't be helped.
I think you really mean that I am reporting radicalism that has already occurred.
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Political radicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term political radicalism (or simply, in political science, radicalism) denotes political principles focused on altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways.
I concur that what I report is shocking. When I first read it, in a county courthouse law library, I was ill. You can't comprehend the breadth and depth of the "Big Lie" we all have lived under since 1933.
Our "Social structures" and "Value systems" have been altered and changed by the socialist revolution, beginning in 1933.
I strongly urge all Americans to read law, read law, read law. "They" have been getting away with 'skinning us alive' and have the arrogance to demand our gratitude because they let us regrow our skin before they do it again.
I had a friend who recently fired a woman in his office (his business, too). She'd worked for the state of Illinois for *years* before coming to work for his company. Despite his best and most persistent efforts to train her, he had to fire her after 18 months. His reason: She thought that if she "worked" for 40 minutes a day, she'd accomplished a whole lot.
He tried and tried to explain to her that she was being paid for eight hours and she needed to work at least six or seven hours. After so many years in a do-nothing job for the state of Illinois, she could not adjust to actually "working" for a living.
Multiply *that* times the millions of people who are working at local, state and federal government offices.
Years ago, 22% of Americans drew a paycheck (pension or current employment) from local, state or federal government. How is that sustainable? It is not.
Rose
I saw some things to a smaller degree. My parents were both teachers. My father was also a principal for many years & later a county administrator. Dad always ran schools well, bought everything the school needed, but went light on the frills & extras. He always bought my baseball & other sports eqpmt at the same sporting goods store where he bought school sports eqpmt. More than 1 clerk there said Dad was among the few coaches or principals that always had money to pay for what he bought. Some didn't keep track of $ they had, or overbought, knowing they could somehow squeeze the $ from the county or state, but it took awhile. If couldn't pay for it, he didn't order it.
As an administrator, he handled textbooks. I went and helped him during busy times. I saw other administrators who stretched out lunch breaks, read magazines & newspapers through the day, etc. Not all, but a fair number. As I saw it, 1 of them could have handled 2 jobs or been reduced to part time. Dad used to come home agitated, saying "some of that crowd" had found new ways to waste taxpayers' money.
Dad started his career in 1931, very hard times. Made $31 a month, had little or nothing from his family. He understood the value of money & not being wasteful.
Mom & Dad were both very concerned with earning what they were paid, being good stewards & doing good jobs. Most of their friends & associates were too. I don't think that is entirely dead in the public sector, but very uncommon nowadays.
I feel it was actually birthed about 100 years prior to that. But I agree, it really started to develop its fangs right around 1933...
With 1933, are you thinking of the beginnings of Social Security? I recall from history that it was implemented in 1935. I'm sure the planning & concepts were there in 1933. Or were other issues taking root then too?
So, even with a small carton discount, he's over $100 for a carton of cigarettes, $122.50 if buying by the pack. Even at NYC prices, I'm sure he could put together a decent 1 week survival box for the price of 2 cartons, could make a good start with the price of 1 carton.
With so many dependent on the government, I fear they won't adapt to having less given to them. There are a set of people dependent on the government for food, clothing, shelter and spending money. I just don't see these type adapting very well.
Too bad for them. If they can't adapt, they will likely not survive. They may be some of the crowd that turns to looting, killing & robbing for what they need. They will not long get away with that. Some of the prepared folks will be well armed to repel them, some will have moved away from urban areas where most of the parasites will be. I don't say this to mean we should not help others. We should, as we are able. But no one can stand by & let looters take away what they have prepared & stored over months or years. The looters themselves will not long survive, as they have never learned to provide for themselves & will either be killed later or starve after they've robbed anyone around who was supplied.
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