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Old 02-13-2011, 03:53 PM
 
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I think you really mean that I am reporting radicalism that has already occurred.

I concur that what I report is shocking. When I first read it, in a county courthouse law library, I was ill. You can't comprehend the breadth and depth of the "Big Lie" we all have lived under since 1933.

Our "Social structures" and "Value systems" have been altered and changed by the socialist revolution, beginning in 1933.

I strongly urge all Americans to read law, read law, read law. "They" have been getting away with 'skinning us alive' and have the arrogance to demand our gratitude because they let us regrow our skin before they do it again.

No I mean radicalisms.. Its the way you write. The way I write people say it's Macisms, tawkin backwards they way I do. It's not a bad thing man.

You do it very well. I can't comprehend well all of this, but with a little work I see you are always correct so far.

I haven't yet forgotten the first discussion we had when i thought I knew what I knew and didn't.. I hate when that happens, but you had me and earned respect. That ain't a bad thing either.

I ponder awhile and send you a dm if i can't get it figured and I am still working on new questions to ask when I git ready.

The scam is older than I am and I am older than many here.

It's hard to learn you have been scammed by the govt, and from a date before you exisited.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:01 PM
 
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With 1933, are you thinking of the beginnings of Social Security? I recall from history that it was implemented in 1935. I'm sure the planning & concepts were there in 1933. Or were other issues taking root then too?

To follow the gold, follow jetgraphics. Just click his name and then select find all posts. Be sitting down and hold on to your hat. Read Jet, search some of what he says and you will find he has and is reading law we are not accustomed to hearing about.

If that leaves you angery dig deeper. The problem is you will end up with a red hot ember in your guts.

Somewhere there is a ugly little old bean counter laffin' in fits over what our Govt has done to us, and almost no one knows it.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: compton
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Yes Brother!!! Jetgraphics is the truth!!!
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Ever since we made it through the year 2000 rollover it all gravy man!
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I had a friend who recently fired a woman in his office (his business, too). She'd worked for the state of Illinois for *years* before coming to work for his company. Despite his best and most persistent efforts to train her, he had to fire her after 18 months. His reason: She thought that if she "worked" for 40 minutes a day, she'd accomplished a whole lot.

He tried and tried to explain to her that she was being paid for eight hours and she needed to work at least six or seven hours. After so many years in a do-nothing job for the state of Illinois, she could not adjust to actually "working" for a living.

Multiply *that* times the millions of people who are working at local, state and federal government offices.
It's not limited to the government.
I witnessed a similar situation at a large land grant university. The typical work day went like this:
8:00 - start shift
8:01 - 10:00 coffee break, bull sessions, look busy (play on computer)
10:01 - 11:30 work
11:31 - 1:00 Lunch (often extended)
1:01 - 2:00 work
2:01 - 3:59 popcorn break, bull sessions, look busy
4:00 - end shift
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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You do it very well. I can't comprehend well all of this, but with a little work I see you are always correct so far.
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It's hard to learn you have been scammed by the govt, and from a date before you existed.
It took a 'swift kick' in my haid, before I got the lesson, that I was a slave (part time). At first I was mad at government. Then I read law, and saw that by their rules, I volunteered. Then I was mad at myself.

"The Powers That Be" are in a rush to destabilize the USSA so it will be hard to pin the blame on them and their allies. In a riot, who can tell what is really going on?

I strongly suspect that TPTB realize that it is impossible to pretend that the U.S. government is following the Constitution, especially with respect to money. And if the USSA is NOT a constitutionally empowered government, WHAT is it?
How did it usurp power?
By the law on the books, we consented, via FICA.
That granted Congress and the States enough authority to side step all the nuances of constitutional limitation (No State can impair the obligations of a compact). Why else would "Free" Americans suddenly need government permission (license) to do that which their ancestors did, as a right? Because they surrendered their birthright in exchange for entitlements (charity from the public treasury).

The irony is that the recipient class of FICA think that by defending FICA, they are ensuring their future, when in fact, they are tightening the chains of servitude.

However, if 51% of Americans did withdraw consent from FICA, the socialist / usurer alliance would collapse, the "dollar bill" would be under collateralized, and the Federal government would probably resign en masse. Swiftly followed by emigration to countries that don't extradite to the USA.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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It's not limited to the government.
I witnessed a similar situation at a large land grant university. The typical work day went like this:
8:00 - start shift
8:01 - 10:00 coffee break, bull sessions, look busy (play on computer)
10:01 - 11:30 work
11:31 - 1:00 Lunch (often extended)
1:01 - 2:00 work
2:01 - 3:59 popcorn break, bull sessions, look busy
4:00 - end shift
Not surprised. I saw a bit of this in private business, but in fewer places & to a lesser degree. I worked a temp job at a data/com co. that did mostly government work, hint. I saw a lot of people who worked very hard, but a dozen or so in certain depts that managed to look busy all day, but do nothing much at all. I overheard conversations with people wondering what John or Jim was so busy with, that non of his work was completed by deadlines. 1 clerk was blatantly sorry & lazy. Similar time schedule to above, but work at her desk included a lot of personal phone calls. If the group were having a birthday party or other celebration, it was part of the workday, not part of lunch or breaks. 1 hour lunch, 2 1/2 hour breaks, 1 hour or more for party...............
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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i was never party to the relaxed office cubical world. I worked as a foreign car teck mostly from 8 am to well after 6 pm sometimes well past mid night.

In a 8 hour day I personally did 19 full blown tune ups changing oil and filter, topping off all fluids. The tune ups all consited of compression tests wet and dry, and were formally complete.

Plus at least 1 clutch or 4 wheel brake job.

AND deal with all parts incoming, and all customers in bound or out.

I became good and I became fast. I could do a clutch on a 144 volvo in under 45 minutes and the book gave 6 hours.

I couldn't earn ehough to I added to the basic construction any time cars were not first, Still I couldn't earn enough to I took on a 3rd job driving teams of Belgian Draft Horses to haul tourists till 1am.

I burned out and went into being Mista' Fix it for a B&B and got more hours for it, and as always nothing to show.

I finally got hurt, trying to be a loyal little dubbie, and lost my shirt and everything else in a divorce, where any earnings were drained to nill. Then I discovered what pre-existing condition means.

It means no matter what no one will hire you. I went and got lost for 3 years, regained my strength as best i could and have been a Mister Fix it for myself ever since, but with out a decent start. I am still stuck there and wondering if returning to the ways of man was worth it.

All I got to show for this is a big fat motorcycle and a few guns. I know to eat I will have to work till I can't eat anymore, and in order to do that I gotta grow what I eat.

It has tuffend me a bit..

I do feel safer knowing most of the crooks are running the congress.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
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Not surprised. I saw a bit of this in private business, but in fewer places & to a lesser degree. I worked a temp job at a data/com co. that did mostly government work, hint. I saw a lot of people who worked very hard, but a dozen or so in certain depts that managed to look busy all day, but do nothing much at all. I overheard conversations with people wondering what John or Jim was so busy with, that non of his work was completed by deadlines. 1 clerk was blatantly sorry & lazy. Similar time schedule to above, but work at her desk included a lot of personal phone calls. If the group were having a birthday party or other celebration, it was part of the workday, not part of lunch or breaks. 1 hour lunch, 2 1/2 hour breaks, 1 hour or more for party.........

......
And this will cause a "disaster" how? As long as I have been alive people complain that namess "other guy" is not working hard enough. I wouldn't worry about that one to much ......
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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Doesn't mean it's not, either. I don't have the crystal ball you seem to be looking into, but based on other governments that have already come to the end of the dead end road we're cruising down, it may not have a happy ending. Who knows? But the problem is the same as it is for a lot of other things--oh no... it can never happen to us!.
Yes! The people/countries who think disaster can't happen to them are the ones it happens to.


[quote=ChrisC;17428915]Even though it HAS happened to countless other governments. When you correctly solve 2x + 5 = 31 , you're going to get the same result every time. We've seen Argentina, Greece, Iceland, Spain, and a bunch of other countries solve the equation and get 13. But being the hard-headed, arrogant Americans we are, we're just positive we'll come up with something besides a 13.[quote=ChrisC;17428915]

Yep. We think that since sich a crisis has never happend here, it never will.

[quote=ChrisC;17428915]And to make matters worse, this is the first time we will be facing the crisis as a collectivist/socialist country. All of the other crises referred to earlier were during times when people were far more self-sufficient on the whole. Nowadays self-sufficiency is laughed at... until the government shuts down. Ask a Greek. Or ask one of the Argentines who set themselves on fire when the government/system couldn't provide for them any longer.[[quote=ChrisC;17428915]

I was thinking something similar. In all the previous crises outlined, there was not a huge number of retirees that were promised medical care and Social Security. Even during the Great Depression and the costs created by World War 2, there were no big costs going forward, so we could afford to pay down the debt from the war.

But now, we're facing retirement & medical costs equivalent to the cost of a huge war, and our national debt is already at very high levels.

There will need to be spending cuts across the board, including in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare, Defense, etc. And there will also need to be tax increases. There is no other way around it. Unfortunately, Americans don't want to understand this, which is why we could very easily descend into chaos.
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