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Old 01-31-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Why not? I remember very well in the mid 90s several states lost power. I was living in CA at that time.

I think it was 7 western states that were effected. I remember thinking back then what is causing this and is this some precursor for some terrorist act.

I remember it was a Saturday afternoon which made it easier to get home from where I was since there were no traffic lights.

A couple of years after that the whole city of San Francisco lost power and terrorism was suspected.

There is as humongous difference between "some states" losing power vs. the whole nation losing power. The book mentioned is about a nationwide power loss ~ which means no ability for anyone to drive except for very old cars that don't run on electrical power. Mankind would go to Hell in a hurry.

But this is worst case scenario, one that I'm in no hurry to experience.
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Old 02-06-2011, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I got this as a e-mail. More or less it is true. Skip the top till you real taxes and this is a great deal of the problem.
yeah it's tuff to read as copy and paste, but bear with it.
.................................................. .................................................. ...
No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us, WE ARE AWESOME !!!
OUR Lives are LIVING PROOF !!!
To Those of Us Born
1925 - 1970 : At the end of this email is a quote of the month by Jay Leno. If you don't read anything else, please read what he said. Very well stated, Mr. Leno.
~~~~~~~~~
TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE 1930s, '40s, '50s, '60s and '70s!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who may have smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes. Then, after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets, and, when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps, not helmets, on our heads. As infants and children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes.. Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter, and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And we weren't overweight. WHY? Because we were always outside playing...that's why! We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day.
--And, we were OKAY.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.. We did not have Play Stations, Nintendos and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVDs, no surround-sound or CDs, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms.
WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from those accidents. We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping-pong paddles, or just a bare hand, and no one would call child services to report abuse. We ate worms, and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls, and -although we were told it would happen- we did not put out very many eyes. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them. Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! We just found some other talent. One in which we did well, and developed that one instead of crying and whining. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers, and inventors ever. The past 50 to 85 years have seen an explosion of innovation and new ideas.. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of those born between 1925-1970, CONGRATULATIONS! You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives ... for our own good ???
While you are at it, forward it to your kids, so they will know how brave and lucky their parents were. Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ?
~~~~~~~
The quote of the month by Jay Leno: "With hurricanes, tornadoes, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

For those that prefer to think that God is not watching over us...go ahead and delete this. For the rest of us.....pass this on.
******************
Now! Read the following poem and list of taxes and see if you recognize a correlation to the foregoing.
******************
Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table At which he's fed.
Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway!
Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat.
Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think.
Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ass.
Tax all he has Then let him know That you won't be done Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he's laid.
When he's gone, Do not relax, It's time to apply The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax Airline surcharge tax Airline Fuel Tax Airport Maintenance Tax Building Permit Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Death Tax Dog License Tax Driving Permit Tax Environmental Tax (Fee) Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment (UI) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Gasoline Tax (too much per gal) Gross Receipts Tax Health Tax Hunting License Tax HydroTax Inheritance Tax Interest Tax Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Mortgage Tax Personal Income Tax Property Tax Poverty Tax Prescription Drug Tax Provincial Income and Sales tax Real Estate Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax Retail Sales Tax Service Charge Tax School Tax Telephone Federal Tax Telephone Federal, Provincial and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Water Tax Water Craft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax
--- and in 2010 the HST
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 60 years ago, & our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had a large middle class, and Mom could actually afford to stay home to raise the kids, if she was so inclined.
What in the "Hell" happened?
Can you spell 'Constitutionally ignorant, power hungry, greedy politicians?'
I hope this goes around AMERICA at least 100 times. YOU can help it get there.
GO AHEAD - - - be an AMERICAN
If you really want to know "what happened", the blame rests in the person looking back at you in the mirror. From the government's records, we, the people, surrendered our birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence, for access to entitlements (charity from the public treasury).
The fact that it participation in FICA is 100% voluntary despite millions believing that they have to get "their number" before they can work in their own country only underscores the success of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

Questions you might ask of 'your public servants':
1. What law compels all Americans to enroll into FICA before they can work in their own country?
2. What law punishes any American who does not enroll nor participates in FICA?
3. If participation in FICA is 100% voluntary, how can the people volunteer out?
4. If 51% leave FICA, and thus cease underwriting the worthless Federal Reserve note (see: Title 12 USC sec. 411), will that collapse the dollar bill?
5. Without enough "contributors" (via FICA) will the socialist system of "share the wealth" immediately implode?

--------
If you're too impatient to wait for their answer, here they are:
1. no law, 2. no law, 3. won't tell us, 4. yes, 5. yes.

Remember, involuntary servitude is unconstitutional in the United States of America. And pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, job #1 = secure rights, and job #2 = govern those who consent.
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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Jet, thanks for the fixin....

Yeah I now I am at fault too.....


I do use a few thousand dollars each year as tools, mostly to stay out of jail.

Almost all the earnings I work for pay fees and taxes.
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I do use a few thousand dollars each year as tools, mostly to stay out of jail.
Almost all the earnings I work for pay fees and taxes.
That's why "they" work diligently to persuade people to not read law. They know that their game would be over if people learned how and when they consented to be taxed.

Buried in the law, is this : no right secured by government can be subject to taxation. Only government granted privileges can be subject to taxation.

So how and when did your right to life, and all the harmless actions necessary to sustain life (work, travel, trade, shelter and land ownership) become revenue taxable privileges?

{You might ask "your public servants". But don't be too surprised when they won't / can't answer.}

As more Americans realize who is working for whom, the imminent disaster gets closer. The wolves rule the sheep who outnumber them only as long as the sheep submit.
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Old 02-07-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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What I don't understand so well Jet is the the Feds never yet ratified income tax, the IRS has no bearing to even be, but if you fail to file and to pay taxes if any, and I think most people pay taxes. I earn very little but still the IRS has it's way with me, and if I don't I get vacation in club fed, which is beginning to look pretty good really.

I am quitting smoking, got cabin fever, and this 5 weeks old broken finger and my labor are not seeing eye to much. 2.5 hours of a little shop cleaning and I am in a very bad mood, my finger is swollen straight out and I am a smidegen upset

Whars the IRS when you don't give a norway rat's a$$ any way?
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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There is a definite difference between the "doomsday, SHTF" survivalists and the "what could happen how can I survive it" faction, and those like me who just want to maximise what I have and be as self sufficent as I can be in any situation.

Do I believe the country will implode? No. There could be some major shakeups in the power structure, some very hard economic times yes, but a full blown civil war I don't see. Just my opinion and I could be wrong, it's happened before.

Now, That being said, we could at any time face a natural or man-made disaster such as Katrina or the Bhopar India events that would put a segment of the population into a survival situation for a large number of people. Floods, Fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, they all happen and some are big enough to create a survival situation.

In my particular situation, I live in an area with horrendous weather that cuts power, fills roads with snow and ice, flooding, earthquakes, (not often, but it does happen), Forest and range fires, large areas of land without emergency services close by, so I simply want to be as self sufficent as I can be.

By making my own power, growing my own food, raising my own meat and dairy, using heating from readilly available natural sources, having the means and ablity to make fuel and have basic medical equipment available, I don't have to worry if the roads are blocked or a windstorm knocks power out.

Plus, the added benefit is that I get to keep more of my money for emergencies that I can't take care of such as a disease or accident that requires more medical assistance than I can do or my wife can do alone.

The less I have to depend on getting to the store, the more secure I am in my home, and the more secure my family is as we can weather just about any emergency from civil unrest to monitary collapse to natural disasters.

To me, survival preparedness is basically taking care of my family.

That is my basic premise.

Where to start? Look at where you live. What are the main dangers from environmental or man made occurances.
Are there manufacturing facilities that produce a product that could escape and cause damage? Do you live near an installation that could be a target of a terrorist attack?
What weather could hit you?

Is there a disaster plan in your area? What are the evacuation routes and how could you move in such an event.

Do you have enough food, water, money to live for a few days in a shelter or out of your car?
How would you protect yourself?
Can you live off the land by hunting, fishing, trapping or gathering natural plants?
Do you have a first aid kit and can you use it? If you need a prescription drug do you have a supply for a week or more, can you get your medicine from someplace else?
Do you have a place where you can go in an emergency that is removed from a forseeable disaster? I like to have mine at least 100 miles away.

Can you take some classes to learn basic skills in your area? Is there a library with some books you can get to learn more?

What kind of disaster or emergency do you want to plan for or do you see as most likely to occur in your area?
Do you want to be set up for long term or short term survival? What would you do if the emergency goes beyond a week, a month....?

What resources do you already have?

Lots to think about, but not impossible to make some plans and look to the future.
The largest part of survival for any scenario is using what you have, knowing how to use it, and making the most of it.

Good Luck
I made a post in another thread about starting off with a few days supply of food, water, etc. My area gets a hurricane from time to time & varying degrees of winter ice storms. We are on well water, so we need power for it. I have a small generator for that & a few lights. We keep a good supply of crackers, peanut butter, tuna, etc. All keep well & are easily carried if we need to leave the house. But I don't see us having to do that as much as needing to hole up here. Though we are in an urban area, we are on the edge of town & not quite as likely to be overrun with brigands stealing food & supplies. If we should have to leave, we have a minivan that we could live in for a few days. We have water jugs, basic meds, etc. We need to set up duffle bag or back pack for each person, with a change of clothes & other basic stuff. We try to always fill up when gas gets below half & keep a 5 gallon can handy for generator. Also a box full of candles & matches, a few of all batteries we use. Propane cookstove & Sterno stove.

I hope I'm wrong, but if Obama stays in office, I fear power outages may become common, as power will be very expensive to produce & highly regulated for emissions. More & more people may eventually be living on the street if he keeps wrecking the economy. Not only him, but like minded officials & nameless faceless bureaucrats who all seem determined to institute trickle up poverty.

You mentioned Katrina. A perfect example of a bungling city government that did nothing to prepare ahead & residents that lined up at shelters with no food or supplies. I saw TV footage of long lines of people. Not many of them carried even a bag of something. Most anyone could stash a little food in a bag and carry with them.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:28 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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What I don't understand so well Jet is the the Feds never yet ratified income tax, the IRS has no bearing to even be, but if you fail to file and to pay taxes if any, and I think most people pay taxes. I earn very little but still the IRS has it's way with me, and if I don't I get vacation in club fed, which is beginning to look pretty good really.
The income tax is of two varieties - the flat rate corporate (constitutional) tax and the progressive rate individual (based on compact) tax.
The individual income tax is predicated on two consents: FICA and usury.

Anecdotal flag on
All the people I personally know who were hassled by the Eye Are Us had two things in common: SSN and an open, interest bearing bank account.
All the people I personally know who were left alone, also had two things in common: NO SSN and NO bank account.

No instrumentality of the Federal Reserve banking system will open an interest bearing account for an unnumbered American - bless their hearts. *(Usury is a capital offense, saith Ezekiel 18:13 KJV)

One might conclude that without the "signature card" where the account holder AGREES to abide by the "Rules of the Bank" (and therefore, the U.S. governor of "The Bank"), there is no nexus.

In case you weren't informed, the U.S. Governor of the "Bank" and "Fund" is our friend, the Secretary of TREASURY. And he shall NOT be paid by the U.S. government, Title 22 USC Sec. 286a. He shall be paid by the fiduciary agent for "The Fund", the Federal Reserve corporation. (Uh oh!)

Title 22 USC Sec. 286. The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the International Monetary Fund (hereinafter referred to as the "Fund"), and in the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (hereinafter referred to as the "Bank"), provided for by the Articles of Agreement of the Fund and the Articles of Agreement of the Bank as set forth in the Final Act of the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference dated July 22, 1944, and deposited in the archives of the Department of State.

(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other compensation from the United States for services as a Governor, executive director, councillor, alternate, or associate.

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994 edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S. Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the African Development Bank."
The president picks the "U.S. governor" but the government does not pay him.
Guess who he really works for?

The "Bank" whose rules you've agreed to abide is an arm of the IMF / IBRD... an international entity. Why? Because no "dollars" have circulated since 1933. Everyone is dealing with worthless repudiated notes ("dollar bills").

The U.S. has been under a State of Emergency, since 1933, when it capitulated to the creditor, whose Fiduciary agent is the Federal Reserve Corporation.

Don't blame Congress - by their records, WE ALL VOLUNTEERED!
(See what happens when folks don't read law...)

Don't believe me - go read the law for yourself. But take a barf bag - you will get ill.

More "annoying" info:
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:28 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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I do feel it is imminment. Things have continued going from bad to worse over the years. There is too much money controlled by too few folks. The CBS short-lived series JERICHO is not too far fetched...what was the Thomas Jefferson quote about the greatest enemy is from within??
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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We should do all we can to be prepared for emergencies or breakdowns, whatever they may be. If we have a cache of food, water, meds & other basic needs, we can be somewhat secure in our homes, as we don't have to venture out seeking supplies along with huge crowds that are desperate & angry.

Large amounts of fuel are expensive & hard for the average person to safely store. But keeping vehicles near full & a large can or 2 of fuel could be done by many people. Not bad to have a vehicle where the family can sleep a night or 2 if needed. Mini vans are good for this.

While no one is totally self made, we should all keep in mind that our safety & security is our own personal responsibility. "The system" is already strained & will be more so over the years. We cannot rely on the authorities to provide for us. We must do all we can for ourselves & our families.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Yes disaster is always immanent, sometimes it is civil, sometimes it is just run of the mill weather disasters, some times it is loss of your job and ability to support yourself, sometimes it is a traffic accident or disease, but disaster strikes all of us sooner or later. That is why being prepared should be a way of life and not just something you do because of fear of economic collapse.
Here is a link to agreat source of information from a guy who takes a very practical approach to being prepared. If you do it properly it will help you if there is disaster or even if there is not.

Survival Podcast
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