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Old 10-20-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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If you saw any detailed news accounts of the incident, you would know that wildlife control people with tranquillizer darts were indeed called out and that indeed some animals were successfully tranquillized and transported to a zoo. One reason this was not universally successful is that the mass escape occurred in the afternoon. By the time some animals were spotted it was close to getting dark. O.K., suppose a dart is fired and strikes the animal. It takes a few minutes to take effect, so the animal runs off, goes to sleep from the tranquillizer, but they can't find it in the darkness. Then the tranquillizer wears off during the night, the animal takes off and is still at liberty the next morning.
Heat seeking copters, from the nearest urban area....With powerful lights.

Works great for human fugitives who do not want to be caught. Very difficult to escape and evade.
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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It was not an "over-reaction". It was a proper reaction - the only conceivable reaction under the circumstances.
Even as a lover of animals, I have to agree. It's just another case of "dumb" animals having to pay the price for "smart" human's errors ...
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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First, I agree it is a shame that so many magnificent and engandered Bengal tigers had to be killed. You can suspect all you want that "many were border line tame" but the reports from the people actually on the scene belie that supposition. The tigers were very aggressive, and indeed it is in their nature to be aggressive.

It isn't a question of "the tigers being held responsible" for their owner snapping; it is a question of protecting human life which was in danger. Can you imagine Bengal tigers (more than one) loose in your immediate neighborhood. Are you a parent? Human lives must absolutely have a higher priority than the lives of the tigers, as regrettable as their deaths are.

It was not an "over-reaction". It was a proper reaction - the only conceivable reaction under the circumstances.
I know this may seem a bit 'trife'...

But I think 'scared' or 'nervious' is a more accurate term...than 'aggresive'...

In other words, I don't think any of those animals were looking for a schedualed 7:00 pm meal of human meat....

But I think 'nervious' or 'defensive' is a better word for how they were feeling, behaving...
As any of us would be if we were in strange terrain with 'creatures' coming up on us....
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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I know this may seem a bit 'trife'...

But I think 'scared' or 'nervious' iss a more accurate term...than 'aggresive'...

In other words, I don't think any of those animals were looking for a schedualed 7:00 pm meal of human meat....

But I think 'nervious' or 'defensive' is a better word for how they were feeling, behaving...
As any of us would be if we were in strange terrain with 'creatures' coming up on us....
The big cats were more likely like large large pets, waiting to be fed and wondering around like a house cat, who runs out the door to check out the world at large and comes home sooner or later tired and eagar to be home.

A local auto shop secretly had a cougar for years, I knew where the shop was but never went there or even had a clue it lived there. The big cat decided to get loose, and was really frightened and was caught without incident after just wondering around exploring alleys and yards . No doubt missing her bowl and humans who took care of her after the novelty of running lose started to wear off.

If the cat is not attacked or cornered not likely too much to worry about.

Too bad there were so many "nervous nellies out there" Those kind of people are a serious threat anywhere to humans as well. They overreact with senseless violence.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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I know this may seem a bit 'trife'...

But I think 'scared' or 'nervious' is a more accurate term...than 'aggresive'...

In other words, I don't think any of those animals were looking for a schedualed 7:00 pm meal of human meat....

But I think 'nervious' or 'defensive' is a better word for how they were feeling, behaving...
As any of us would be if we were in strange terrain with 'creatures' coming up on us....
It's certainly how I feel when I walk through the ghetto at 3 AM ...

"Defensive", that is ... and I'm liable to "eat" anything or anyone that poses a threat to me.

... animal instinct.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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The big cats were more likely like large large pets, waiting to be fed and wondering around like a house cat, who runs out the door to check out the world at large and comes home sooner or later tired and eagar to be home.

A local auto shop secretly had a cougar for years, I knew where the shop was but never went there or even had a clue it lived there. The big cat decided to get loose, and was really frightened and was caught without incident after just wondering around alleys and into some yards looking for something to eat and not likely making out very well. No doubt missing her bowl and humans who took care of her.

If the cat is not attacked or cornered not likely too much to worry about.

Too bad there were so many "nervous nellies out there" Those kind of people are a serious threat anywhere to humans as well. They overreact with senseless violence.
There's a new documentary on TV - not sure what channel or even what the name of it was - but it concerned people who keep large, inately wild animals as pets. "Fatal Attractions" or something like that ...

Anyway, they had some interesting tales about a woman who raised a chimp from birth, treated him as a human, dressed him up in cute little outfits, brought him to the park so he could play on the swings (and yes, also the monkey bars!) ... he was her "child".

One day a female friend of hers was visiting, and for no apparent reason Junior literally ripped her face off. When police got there, he almost ripped the door off of the police car. He was shot multiple times, kept going until he got back to his "bedroom", then finally died.

Sigfried and Roy - raised the big cats, lived with them, considered them family - sudden attack because the cat got nervous.

Many, many cases like this. People forget that these are WILD animals, that you never erase their wild instincts - you just cover them up with anthropomorphism and cute little baby names. You NEVER really know what's on their mind.

My ladyfriend has a big Black Lab - sweetest little girl in the world. When I roughhouse with her, I can see a marked return to her wild nature; in fact, she sank her teeth into my arm a few weeks ago when we were playing. Not her fault at all - she's just being a dog.

Same with the cats - they get excited chasing the feather, they run up my leg and leave blood trails and bite marks. They're just obeying their true nature.

I used to have a big ol' tomcat that I rescued from the street. Another mellow, happy cat. Problem was, he'd be sitting on your lap, you'd be watching TV, idly stroking him, he'd be purring - then suddenly sink all 18 claws and however many teeth into you and take off into hiding for a few hours.

Then he'd reappear and jump up on your lap again, purring like an Evinrude.

You just can't predict what animals will do.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The big cats were more likely like large large pets, waiting to be fed and wondering around like a house cat, who runs out the door to check out the world at large and comes home sooner or later tired and eagar to be home.

A local auto shop secretly had a cougar for years, I knew where the shop was but never went there or even had a clue it lived there. The big cat decided to get loose, and was really frightened and was caught without incident after just wondering around exploring alleys and yards . No doubt missing her bowl and humans who took care of her after the novelty of running lose started to wear off.

If the cat is not attacked or cornered not likely too much to worry about.

Too bad there were so many "nervous nellies out there" Those kind of people are a serious threat anywhere to humans as well. They overreact with senseless violence.
I agree...

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It's certainly how I feel when I walk through the ghetto at 3 AM ...

"Defensive", that is ... and I'm liable to "eat" anything or anyone that poses a threat to me.

... animal instinct.
I agree with this too...

I like you all...wanna know why?

Cause even though you may passionatly have opposing views...I bet your all responsible citizens....

For those who lean towards wanting to protect human life...cool...

And for those who lean more towards survival of the fittest, be it beast or man...cool....

But the bottom line...I'm willing to bet most of you all are law abiding citizens who don't tread on others...

Just the types I need for me commune...

In other words, after the passionate food fight....



all scraps and mess would be cleaned up...apologies made, and we could all sleep soundly....wake up, and do it all again, with love...


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Old 10-20-2011, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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The big cats were more likely like large large pets, waiting to be fed and wondering around like a house cat, who runs out the door to check out the world at large and comes home sooner or later tired and eagar to be home.

A local auto shop secretly had a cougar for years, I knew where the shop was but never went there or even had a clue it lived there. The big cat decided to get loose, and was really frightened and was caught without incident after just wondering around exploring alleys and yards . No doubt missing her bowl and humans who took care of her after the novelty of running lose started to wear off.

If the cat is not attacked or cornered not likely too much to worry about.

Too bad there were so many "nervous nellies out there" Those kind of people are a serious threat anywhere to humans as well. They overreact with senseless violence.
Your view of the essentially benign nature of Bengal tigers on the loose constitutes more wishful thinking than accuracy. Tigers are the largest of the big cats, and if they are hungry the following morning a child or children at a bus stop would be easy pickings. Animals have natural instincts. You seem to be confusing species which have been domesticated for thousands of years with feral species. And even the domesticated species still have instincts which can be unpredictable - every so often we read in the news about dogs which have attacked and killed someone.

Any police force in the world would have reacted the same way, not with "senseless" violence but with puposeful and justifiable violence. If you can sleep securely at night in your bed, it is because rough men somewhere are trained and ready to do violence on your behalf. That is the way the world is. That is reality.

It's funny how the organized animal protection and advocacy groups are all against allowing private individuals to keep large feral animals. Of course human safety is one big reason, but it is not fair to the animals either, as tragically illustrated here. You can dig up some examples where things worked out O.K., but that doesn't change the reality.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Heat seeking copters, from the nearest urban area....With powerful lights.

Works great for human fugitives who do not want to be caught. Very difficult to escape and evade.

Sadly, your TV inspired view of local resources is VERY disconnected with reality.

Other points have been adequately addressed.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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In other words, after the passionate food fight....

all scraps and mess would be cleaned up...apologies made, and we could all sleep soundly....wake up, and do it all again, with love...
Oh, I'll be sleeping soundly, all right ...

... with my Gerber Mk.1 under my pillow as usual.


Don't think I've forgotten that pork chop you threw at me last night!
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