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Originally Posted by ChrisC
I think my choices will be heavily influenced by the election outcome this November.
Actually, it doesn't matter who wins. I share your political pursuasion and sentiments about the incumbent, but the office of president is pretty much a puppet show. The bankers and corporate execs, as well as "elitists" here and in the EU, are the ones who really call the shots. The name or political party of the president is irrelevant, IMO.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
At this point, I'm just not all that enthusiastic about the few of us in the US who still believe in freedom being able to reverse the deadly course we are on.
It can't be reversed -- sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. The debt can't be paid; it's mathematically impossible, even if we were all taxed at 100%! And that debt is what's going to do us in. It's the reason, in the end, why we are losing our liberties. That can't be stopped, either....
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... It can't be reversed -- sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. The debt can't be paid; it's mathematically impossible, even if we were all taxed at 100%! And that debt is what's going to do us in. It's the reason, in the end, why we are losing our liberties. That can't be stopped, either....
That is my understanding as well.
At this point, if all salaries for everyone [citizen and non-citizen, blue-collar and white-collar and no-collar] were summed together and used to pay against our debt. Our debt would still continue to rise.
And the sad thing is that while "the masses" are gorging themselves on all the social programs (among many other things), those of us who have never swilled from these programs will be held equally accountable for their stupidity and gluttony. There are a whole lot of us who disagree with at least 90% of what the guvmint wracks up on our "national credit card," yet we all get to be left holding the bag. Charming. That's what collectivism will do for ya...
A reelection of the current president, in my opinion, will pretty much end the United States of America as we have known it (or at least as we have known what's left of it).
Really?
How exactly has your life changed for the worse that can definitively be laid at a single person's door? What, in particular, has this current president taken away from you?
And what, exactly, do you anticipate to be next on the list?
Really?
How exactly has your life changed for the worse that can definitively be laid at a single person's door? What, in particular, has this current president taken away from you?
And what, exactly, do you anticipate to be next on the list?
If you think the only thing we got when the president was sworn in is one man, you're mistaken.
Prophetic words from over 200 years ago:
...is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become corrupt as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other...
We're past that point and are unable to recognize tyranny and despotism; we simply accept with good cheer every mandate, every trampled right, every regulation, and every "positive liberty" manacle forged and fastened around our ankles by our keepers. Take for instance the nearly 3000 pages of bile, disguised as some sort of medical party gift. If you can't see the tyranny within that document (after reading even a couple pages), there is no need to discuss the matter any farther. It's like questioning excessive profanity in the music that a friend is listening to and the friend looking at you, giggling, and saying "what profanity?" It's too late. She's desensitized.
What does this have to do with survivalism??? Unfortunately, it could well put us in a situation in which we are forced to test those skills...
Now, can we move on. My earlier statement simply said I may just have to get the hell out of Dodge if we get another four years of this governmental direction. I'm simply not interested in living under it. If you are cool with it, I'm cool with you. But I'm not cool with it. That's just the way it is and there is no use of arguing about my opinion. It's an opinion and we all have them.
If you think the only thing we got when the president was sworn in is one man, you're mistaken. {SNIP} It's an opinion and we all have them.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm asking for clarification on this particular statement:
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A reelection of the current president, in my opinion, will pretty much end the United States of America as we have known it (or at least as we have known what's left of it).
It has nothing to do with being cool with it or desensitized.
These are the words of the overly dramatic (just like those folks who were convinced Bush would never willingly leave office )
So I'm asking you to be specific.
What has he done so far to your life in particular? How has your life gone downhill due to Obama? How will it further decline if he is re-elected? Which of your rights have you already lost?
Because if you can't point to anything exact this is just another example of far right histrionics (which aren't especially productive). Too many people spout this stuff off and don't even think about the validity of it. And worse, even more people repeat it. Still without clarifying the logic...
This post has nothing to do withWHEREthe best place to survive is, Just WHY one would be needed.
You can start a new thread or go over to the politics forum for this type of hyperbole.
Folks prep because of a perceived threat, or to become self reliant so they don't have to worry about survival when something happens that threatens their existance. If you don't see a threat, don't prep, if you do, then do all you can to mitigate the threat by minimizing it's impact on you.
In other words, you cant think of a thing.
NorEastah is right. It doesn't really matter who actually sits in the office.
However, this loops back to prepping because I remember the run on guns and ammo when Obama first won the election. There was really no logic behind it, hysteria was ruling. And frankly I don't think its healthy to encourage hysteria amongst the well-armed
SOMEone needs to inject a little logic once in a while and balance the discussion. Because here it is, four years later, and we're *still* waiting for the big gun-grab that was supposedly guarateed when Obama took office...
In other words, you cant think of a thing.
NorEastah is right. It doesn't really matter who actually sits in the office.
However, this loops back to prepping because I remember the run on guns and ammo when Obama first won the election. There was really no logic behind it, hysteria was ruling. And frankly I don't think its healthy to encourage hysteria amongst the well-armed
SOMEone needs to inject a little logic once in a while and balance the discussion. Because here it is, four years later, and we're *still* waiting for the big gun-grab that was supposedly guarateed when Obama took office...
Stay balanced people.
You're right. All is well. There has been no loss of liberty in this country. Happy?
You just keep on thinking that a government full of socialists, communists, and outright terrorists will not affect your liberty. As I said, you are right. All is well.
Now, if you wish to continue sparring on this issue, the Politics and Other Controversies Forum will certainly satisfy your need and exceed your every expectation.
If you wish to continue sparring on this issue, the the Politics and Other Controversies Forum will certainly satisfy your needs and exceed your expectations.
Lol
Reminder-- YOU brought this into the thread, not me!
And I never said all was well. I just said you cant lay it at the feet of a single president.
For that matter, I can think of a LOT of freedoms that were forfeited under Bush Jr, post 9/11...
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