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No, I don't think they'll be kicking doors in. They've been trained to fight remotely, behind a video screen. They see their targets as targets- not as sentient beings. Dad becomes a set of coordinates and might get a missile through the roof or get picked off by a predator drone. Nothing personal... just doing their job- probably get a medal out of it.
Spoken like someone who has either never served in the military, or has an agenda against it.
The US Military is an ALL VOLUNTEER force, not conscripts such as in North Korea where the indvidual is indoctrinated and brainwashed to worship the government as their unquestioned leader, The United States Military is comprised of some of the most intelligent and motivated individuals this country has to offer.
Not all are exemplary, they are after all a reflection of the population of this country, but the vast majority are patriotic individuals that VOLUNTEERED to stand up and protect this country and its ideals.
The UCMJ, (code of Military Justice, fyi) in fact states clearly that no soldier, sailor, marine or airmen is compelled to follow an unlawful order, such as killing their own parents
Just because the media represents our men and women in uniform as mindless automotons programmed to kill is just a characature aimed at promoting their distaste for those who selflessly put their lives on the line to protect this country from all enemies.
Just for your education, our military swears an oath when they join, and it isn't to the president, or the government, they swear to protect the Constitution.
That means an illegal order to attack the citizens of the United States without provication could be ignored as it is illegal for the military to operate inside the US as an occupying force.
The National Guard can and has operated to quell unrest, but wholesale slaughter of American civilians is something I seriously doubt they could ever be compelled to do.
Now our current president has no compunction about killing US Citizens abroad, perhaps you should be more worried about his ideals and what boundries he has if any...
As for the Men and Women of our Armed Forces, I have no doubt they would do what is right and if ordered to attack the United States would probably depose whatever tyrant issued that order because their loyalty is to the country, not to any specific politician.
Spoken like someone who has either never served in the military, or has an agenda against it.
The US Military is an ALL VOLUNTEER force, not conscripts such as in North Korea where the indvidual is indoctrinated and brainwashed to worship the government as their unquestioned leader, The United States Military is comprised of some of the most intelligent and motivated individuals this country has to offer.
Not all are exemplary, they are after all a reflection of the population of this country, but the vast majority are patriotic individuals that VOLUNTEERED to stand up and protect this country and its ideals.
The UCMJ, (code of Military Justice, fyi) in fact states clearly that no soldier, sailor, marine or airmen is compelled to follow an unlawful order, such as killing their own parents
Just because the media represents our men and women in uniform as mindless automotons programmed to kill is just a characature aimed at promoting their distaste for those who selflessly put their lives on the line to protect this country from all enemies.
Just for your education, our military swears an oath when they join, and it isn't to the president, or the government, they swear to protect the Constitution.
That means an illegal order to attack the citizens of the United States without provication could be ignored as it is illegal for the military to operate inside the US as an occupying force.
The National Guard can and has operated to quell unrest, but wholesale slaughter of American civilians is something I seriously doubt they could ever be compelled to do.
Now our current president has no compunction about killing US Citizens abroad, perhaps you should be more worried about his ideals and what boundries he has if any...
As for the Men and Women of our Armed Forces, I have no doubt they would do what is right and if ordered to attack the United States would probably depose whatever tyrant issued that order because their loyalty is to the country, not to any specific politician.
Thanks for enlightening me. Sorry for "provicating" you. I'm a veteran, my father was a veteran, and I have close relatives who are active.
Go back and read my previous post in regard to "without provication". An armed revolution would be considered provocation.
I've never thought anything of the sort. Did you?
By your rant, I have to wonder if you were confused at some point by how SS worked...
Congratulations, you are in a small minority of people who understand Socialist InSecurity is a "Tax and Bribe" scam.
And if facts constitute 'ranting', then by all means, throw that label.
But if you have any data that refutes the facts presented, feel free to present them.
I may have made an error and appreciate corrections.
The bottom line - participation in FICA / Socialist InSecurity is voluntary, and until you withdraw consent, you're liable on the impossible public debt.
I'm not entirely sure what you're bent out of shape about... No one is arguing with you.
I knew sometime in junior high that Social Security was a specifically earmarked tax that supports the current generation of retirees. Because by the time I got my first real paycheck that included withholdings, when I was 16, I was well aware of where my taxes were going.
Shoot, we even discussed it in social studies classes...
They see their targets as targets- not as sentient beings. Dad becomes a set of coordinates and might get a missile through the roof or get picked off by a predator drone. Nothing personal... just doing their job- probably get a medal out of it.
I'm a veteran, my father was a veteran, and I have close relatives who are active.
Then mores the pity that you would disseminate purposefully discriminatory information to portray our military in such a negative light.
I am also a veteran, 2 campaign medals, expeditionary force, and service during 3 other wars, but not in theater.
American Service Men and Women are still American Citizens. They do the job they have to and are trained for, but they do not simply click off their intelligence or responsibility.
It may be that they are operating equipment remotely, it may look like a video game, but while there is seperation, you are still aware of the fact those are human lives you take if you push that button.
Insurrection in the United States takes place every 2 years, we call them "elections". If the situation gets bad enough, people will take back their government. It doesn't have to be with guns and bloodshed, it could be, but not necessarily as we have a 200 year tradition of transfer of power without shooting at each other.
The military and Veterans would be the backbone of establishing order for the transfer of power in my view.
The US Military has always served under civilian control as it is outlined in our codified laws and statements from the founding fathers.
Veterans can be a stabilizing influance in the civilian population providing leadership and quelling unrest on a local level, while the Military prevents any foreign power from taking advantage of the situation.
This is because we don't have a military class or warrior class, our military is us, our kids, husbands, fathers, mothers, girlfriends etc. We are the US Military and we have a volunteer force because enough of us feel this country is worth fighting for.
We don't have a draft to force waves of cannon fodder into the guns of the enemy, we use the best and brightest who can multiply their force by use of technical equipment most people couldn't understand let alone operate.
We don't need as large a military because we have a very advanced military. This allows us to project power in the intrests of this country anywhere in the world, and to stop attacks over there instead of fighting in our own streets.
Yes it is expensive to have and use this equipment in treasure, but saves the unimaginable cost in blood so I think it is well worth the trade.
The citizens of the United States are the ultimate power, not government, the government is established to serve by the consent of the governed and if they abuse that power, they should be removed by their employers and replaced with someone that actually respects the country and it's people.
I have a lot of faith in the American people, none in the current government, and I will do everything I can to replace the current political mafia in Washington DC, but within the laws and traditions of the United States.
I don't need to use a gun, just a ballot.
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Then mores the pity that you would disseminate purposefully discriminatory information to portray our military in such a negative light.
I am also a veteran, 2 campaign medals, expeditionary force, and service during 3 other wars, but not in theater.
American Service Men and Women are still American Citizens. They do the job they have to and are trained for, but they do not simply click off their intelligence or responsibility.
It may be that they are operating equipment remotely, it may look like a video game, but while there is seperation, you are still aware of the fact those are human lives you take if you push that button.
Insurrection in the United States takes place every 2 years, we call them "elections". If the situation gets bad enough, people will take back their government. It doesn't have to be with guns and bloodshed, it could be, but not necessarily as we have a 200 year tradition of transfer of power without shooting at each other.
The military and Veterans would be the backbone of establishing order for the transfer of power in my view.
The US Military has always served under civilian control as it is outlined in our codified laws and statements from the founding fathers.
Veterans can be a stabilizing influance in the civilian population providing leadership and quelling unrest on a local level, while the Military prevents any foreign power from taking advantage of the situation.
This is because we don't have a military class or warrior class, our military is us, our kids, husbands, fathers, mothers, girlfriends etc. We are the US Military and we have a volunteer force because enough of us feel this country is worth fighting for.
We don't have a draft to force waves of cannon fodder into the guns of the enemy, we use the best and brightest who can multiply their force by use of technical equipment most people couldn't understand let alone operate.
We don't need as large a military because we have a very advanced military. This allows us to project power in the intrests of this country anywhere in the world, and to stop attacks over there instead of fighting in our own streets.
Yes it is expensive to have and use this equipment in treasure, but saves the unimaginable cost in blood so I think it is well worth the trade.
The citizens of the United States are the ultimate power, not government, the government is established to serve by the consent of the governed and if they abuse that power, they should be removed by their employers and replaced with someone that actually respects the country and it's people.
I have a lot of faith in the American people, none in the current government, and I will do everything I can to replace the current political mafia in Washington DC, but within the laws and traditions of the United States.
I don't need to use a gun, just a ballot.
Two hundred year tradition of transfer of power without shooting at one another?
I recall some high school history teacher of mine babbling on about some time around 1861-1865. He claimed that a rebellion started in one area of the United States and the U.S. government responded by using military force and even adopted scorched earth policies to quell the revolt. He used names/terms like Abraham Lincoln, Robert E. Lee, Confederate, Yankee, Rebel, Union, emancipation, etc.
If I'd of known then, what you've taught me now, I'd of challenged that teachers take on things.- Must've been one of them liberals trying to pollute young minds.
Not quite. They can impose whatever tax suits their fancy on that land you are growing your own food upon. When you don't pay the tax (because you haven't been "playing their game"), they will simply sell your land to the highest bidder.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But the government will do everything it can to ensure that you do NOT become self-sufficient and that government will continue to do what it must to be sure you are assimilated into the collective and dependent upon it for your livelihood.
I agree with this. The man that was selling raw milk to a membership only cooperative, just got out of jail, and now has a 300k fine, with no ability to pay it, because they've destroyed his business and taken all his cash. They control the food production. I think growing your own in the coming crisis is a pipe dream. Plus our soils are becoming contaminated and depleted, droughts are imminent.
I think the smart ones will focus on food storage, dehydrated and freeze dried.
I very seriously doubt the Armed Forces in toto would take up arms against the civilian population.....You really think 20 something kids are gonna start kicking down their dads door? The Military will fragment just like the rest of Society....
I think they will do as they're told, or be branded a traitor, or enemy of the state. You're either with them, or against them.
.......... I think growing your own in the coming crisis is a pipe dream. Plus our soils are becoming contaminated and depleted, droughts are imminent.
It's not just that. You also have to deal with insect and bugs that infest garden plants. Many insecticides no long work as the pests have developed good in not total resistance. Add fungus, viral and bacterial plant diseases. We finally gave up after spending a few hundred dollars for a large canner and many dozens of canning jars. Then we needed to spend more for fencing and an electric fencer. And don't forget the animals that will also feast on your garden. These include all the vegetarians like deer and rabbits and omnivores like crows, raccoons.... and if you want chicken, lamb or goats? Beware of the fox, coyotes, neighbor's dogs and cats, and all carnivores. Not all areas may be as bad as mine, but gardening for self sufficiency is no longer possible in most places.
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I think the smart ones will focus on food storage, dehydrated and freeze dried.
And what happens when that runs out? No one can store a lifetime supply of food.
but gardening for self sufficiency is no longer possible in most places
I would be very surprised to find that were actually true.
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