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Old 11-13-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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MT, I agree that getting out the way would have been preferable and the first course of action but check out the size of this storm to see how hard getting out the way could have been. Note, the storm size is to scale and placed over a map of the US. This is why it was called a super storm.



If you were in OK City you would have had to get to San Francisco or New York to get away from the storm. Just FYI.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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Because we've already sent aid and there's nothing that I can do without sacrificing my own life (which I'm not willing to do).
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Pinkmani, I was thinking more about what lessons a prepper could learn from this event rather than sending aid or what not. For instance, how stashes would have been destroyed when whole buildings even whole towns and cities were destroyed. How the storm surge was 20 ft tall and went up to four miles inland so that even people who were miles from the sea were flooded out. How the massive amounts of rain caused whole hillsides to turn into giant landslides, how areas which hadn't been flooded in hundreds of years got flooded out, and (of course) the travel difficulties which arise when all roadways become impassable due to flooding and/or debris.

It seems like these issues would raise questions about the effectiveness of the disaster plans preppers might have no matter if they want to stay in place or bug out.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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MT, I agree that getting out the way would have been preferable and the first course of action but check out the size of this storm to see how hard getting out the way could have been. Note, the storm size is to scale and placed over a map of the US. This is why it was called a super storm.



If you were in OK City you would have had to get to San Francisco or New York to get away from the storm. Just FYI.
A tropical storm does not kill many people who aren't along the coast or in a flood plain. Getting to a safe spot is typically no more than a few miles away.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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MT, I agree that getting out the way would have been preferable and the first course of action but check out the size of this storm to see how hard getting out the way could have been. Note, the storm size is to scale and placed over a map of the US. This is why it was called a super storm.



If you were in OK City you would have had to get to San Francisco or New York to get away from the storm. Just FYI.
I lived through Chaba when I was in Okinawa, so not completely unfamiliar with what they get over there.

You are correct, using your map you would have to go to Mexico or Canada to avoid the storm completely, but away from the main storm, you can have winds and rain, but not lethal amounts. It's all relative.
Looking at your map, you have the storm centered over Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Kansas. One state over from any of those the effects would be much less and more survivable.

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor, and running like hell can save your life



As this chart of the path shows, the eye passed through the center of the chain, the most populated region, but it was still possible in the days leading up to the storm to move further north or south, theoretically.
I understand finances may not have allowed many folks to travel to a different island, but they still could have moved inland to higher ground.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
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Chemistry Guy:

Would this be a good time to point out that ......

The Philipines is a country that is made up of hundreds of ISLANDS, in the middle of a Ocean ?

Just exactly WHERE would you suggest running TO ? On a island there is no "inland " place to hide from the weather. It is not California.

The topic of this thread is the huge damage caused by the storm that hit that country, right ?

Try to keep up.

Jim B.

Toronto.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Pinkmani, I was thinking more about what lessons a prepper could learn from this event rather than sending aid or what not. For instance, how stashes would have been destroyed when whole buildings even whole towns and cities were destroyed. How the storm surge was 20 ft tall and went up to four miles inland so that even people who were miles from the sea were flooded out. How the massive amounts of rain caused whole hillsides to turn into giant landslides, how areas which hadn't been flooded in hundreds of years got flooded out, and (of course) the travel difficulties which arise when all roadways become impassable due to flooding and/or debris.

It seems like these issues would raise questions about the effectiveness of the disaster plans preppers might have no matter if they want to stay in place or bug out.
I gotcha now… It's hard to say because the terrain in the Philippines is different from here. It would also depend if I were outside or inside. Also, our weather-system is more advanced that the one in the Philippines. We would have more time to get to safety. I'd stay away from the shore.

I know this might sound crazy, but in the event of a flood or hurricane, and I had to be leave my home, I would wear a helmet. The floating debris could really knock you out. One of my biggest fears is losing consciousness.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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The old saying is "It is a recession when you are out of work and it is a depression when I am out of work." I think that holds true when some disaster happens in Spain, or Russia, or someplace else, like the Philippines. Our thinking becomes "That is far away and it didn't happen to me." It is like we are disconnected from the event.

That might sound cruel and unfeeling, but it is the reality of the situation. Just like we in Florida sigh a sigh of relief when a hurricane bypasses us and goes somewhere else.........we might feel bad for the people hit, but at least it wasn't us.

Don
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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A good prep would have been not to kick US out of there. They wouldn't have to wait for a Battle group to steam there........At the least those folks should have bugged out to Baguio !
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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What I can never understand is why, when you have several days notice of a storm coming you don't stock up on some water, canned goods, etc ! They had plenty of warning that the storm was coming yet most people seem not to have done anything to prepare. Just like the fools in snow country that wait until they get 20" of snow and then decide to buy a snow shovel. Wake up folks !
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