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Old 03-26-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Nice attitude. You'd better hope that if things do fall apart, society does not recover, or you will find that society does not take kindly to your behavior during the outage.
True, I only hope conditions would not get that extreme, so those things did not have to occur but if they do then so be it. Many Americans would likely find themselves in a do or die scenario, prompting many to take aggressive actions and it would come down to the biggest dog with the sharpest teeth.
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Old 03-26-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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yeah, right, with mass looting and killing, SOMEBODY is keeping video's, photos, prints and DNA, right? You gotta be dreaming. People will be BEGGING to have life as good as today's prison inmates have it.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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says who? If you've got what you need stashed, why would you have to go anywhere, hmm? where are all the STEEL tools and diesel engines going, and buildings GOING, hmm? Of course there'll be tons of stuff around. 90-99% of the population will be dead a year after shtf, man.
Nonsense. There were only about 40% civilian casualties at the Siege of Leningrad, and that was with the German Army actively attacking the city. People resorted to eating rats and cannibalism, but they survived. People don't die that easy.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Fort Wayne
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Nonsense. There were only about 40% civilian casualties at the Siege of Leningrad, and that was with the German Army actively attacking the city. People resorted to eating rats and cannibalism, but they survived. People don't die that easy.
With deference to what the Wehrmacht did during WWII at Leningrad and the suffering that they caused, they didn't try to kill all of the inhabitants of the city. If they had, the total casualties would have been far higher and they may have broken the seige.

If a super volcano erupts and blots out the sun or a Chixiulub-sized asteroid (the one that helped kill off the dinosaurs) crashes into the Earth or nuclear war spreads radioactive fallout world wide, you'd be looking at a disaster of biblical proportions. It would be worse than any event in human history and the death tolls would likely be in the hundreds of millions if not billions when things settled down. The eruption of Mt. Toba 74,000 years ago reduced the human population on Earth to between 1,500-3000 people TOTAL.

Human beings are resilient.
However, in the wake of a TEOTAWAKI event we may find that we aren't THAT resilient.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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oKAAY, if you say so. But I think today's people are complete wusses (the ones who aren't complete Hitler pieces of it.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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What if you have a year's supply of food, but it needs to be cooked - such as the classic rice and beans. When you cook it, the aroma will travel downwind for quite a distance - probably far enough to reach some people, who are maddened by the smell as they and their children starve.

Maybe the parents will do anything to feed their kids. Even if they don't, the kids might surround your place and stare hungrily at your house, hoping to get a few crumbs of leftovers.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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why are you silly enough to be that close to people? the place to stash your stuff is near your local water source, but in the woods. I highly recommend that you have several months worth of food that does not require cooking. NOrmally, it's the meat or fish cooking that smell. Very few people can smell grain cooking at more than a few meters of distance. If you cook only after dark, it should be no issue at all, the scent, I mean.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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With deference to what the Wehrmacht did during WWII at Leningrad and the suffering that they caused, they didn't try to kill all of the inhabitants of the city. If they had, the total casualties would have been far higher and they may have broken the seige.

If a super volcano erupts and blots out the sun or a Chixiulub-sized asteroid (the one that helped kill off the dinosaurs) crashes into the Earth or nuclear war spreads radioactive fallout world wide, you'd be looking at a disaster of biblical proportions. It would be worse than any event in human history and the death tolls would likely be in the hundreds of millions if not billions when things settled down. The eruption of Mt. Toba 74,000 years ago reduced the human population on Earth to between 1,500-3000 people TOTAL.

Human beings are resilient.
However, in the wake of a TEOTAWAKI event we may find that we aren't THAT resilient.
The reality is that in the face of a disaster of such proportions, human populations -- and all others -- would be so reduced that warding off hordes of crazed inner-city poor folk intent on looting the supplies all the preppers have been stockpiling in their bunkers wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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With deference to what the Wehrmacht did during WWII at Leningrad and the suffering that they caused, they didn't try to kill all of the inhabitants of the city. If they had, the total casualties would have been far higher and they may have broken the seige.
Factually speaking Hitler did order the Luftwaffe to level the city but found it was outside of their ability to do so since so many planes were needed else where on the eastern front. They still spent several years indiscriminately shelling the city but where unable to enter the city due to the Soviet government pressing every man woman and child from age 13-80 into press gangs and having them dig fortifications (mostly tank traps and trenches). While the defenders could do little better than hold off the German attackers to the west, south, and east they did successfully push back against Finnish forces to the north allowing them to reopen supply lines over a large lake.

It wasn't from a lack of trying because the Germans tried everything they could to take Russia's second capital but simple found it too tough a nut to crack.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Fort Wayne
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Factually speaking Hitler did order the Luftwaffe to level the city but found it was outside of their ability to do so since so many planes were needed else where on the eastern front. They still spent several years indiscriminately shelling the city but where unable to enter the city due to the Soviet government pressing every man woman and child from age 13-80 into press gangs and having them dig fortifications (mostly tank traps and trenches). While the defenders could do little better than hold off the German attackers to the west, south, and east they did successfully push back against Finnish forces to the north allowing them to reopen supply lines over a large lake.

It wasn't from a lack of trying because the Germans tried everything they could to take Russia's second capital but simple found it too tough a nut to crack.
"Factually speaking" if the Wehrmacht had targeted convoys on a Lake Ladoga with the intent of starving the populace,the Germans would have broken the siege. Allowing trucks to cross the lake allowed the resistance to hold out. It was another of the many great mistakes that the Germans made on the Eastern front during the war.
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