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Old 08-26-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The same could be said of the NE and Maine. I keep reading about people homesteading in NY and Maine. Even the Amish are leaving for NY. Why go to a nanny state?
Many Amish have been migrating to Maine.

I migrated to Maine myself, to homestead.

Maine has among the best gun laws in the nation, low land prices, low taxes, and no droughts.

City people whine because their cities have high taxes and high cost-of-living. Rural areas are entirely different.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I only asked because I have heard people complain about the taxes in Maine and COL. I know it is the same for NY. Didn't both states have some sort of soda tax?
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:46 AM
 
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Consider Apple Valley [within Victor Valley] in the Mohave Desert. In the 60s there was a struggling apple orchard. Not enough water to honestly prosper a fruit orchard, to farmer was struggling because it is desert ans does not have enough water to sustain fruit trees. Developers swarmed in, bought a lot of land, and did their marketing. Today Apple Valley has 70,000 people, and still no more water than it had a century ago. Victor Valley has around 390,000 people, entirely in the desert.

People swarm to the place, there is money to be made from sprawl. So the towns sprawl far beyond sustainability.

They rely on the state government to keep them safe, and to keep water flowing.
Many, many, MANY counties in United States are far beyond their carrying capacities. In fact most of United States is set up in such a way that a lot of states/counties depend on other states/counties to feed them and provide water. The modern infrastructure hides that fact - you live in Phoenix and go to the grocery store to buy all your food that magically appeared there. This gives everyone the opportunity to move to Phoenix, buy their place, get a job and live a life. But is it based in reality and is it sustainable in the long run? I say not.

Can Arizona sustain the population of Arizona on its own in agricultural and water terms? How about Texas? So on and so on....
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Many, many, MANY counties in United States are far beyond their carrying capacities. In fact most of United States is set up in such a way that a lot of states/counties depend on other states/counties to feed them and provide water. The modern infrastructure hides that fact - you live in Phoenix and go to the grocery store to buy all your food that magically appeared there. This gives everyone the opportunity to move to Phoenix, buy their place, get a job and live a life. But is it based in reality and is it sustainable in the long run? I say not.

Can Arizona sustain the population of Arizona on its own in agricultural and water terms? How about Texas? So on and so on....
This is obviously true, but you could have truthfully made the same statement two thousand years ago as well. Please recall the Roman roads and aquaducts.
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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This is obviously true, but you could have truthfully made the same statement two thousand years ago as well. Please recall the Roman roads and aquaducts.
Or Paris and London during the industrial revolution....
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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This is obviously true, but you could have truthfully made the same statement two thousand years ago as well. Please recall the Roman roads and aquaducts.
The only difference is that it is widespread now. There were many more people living a rural lifestyle before the industrial revolution.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Central and Southern Ohio. The more I research the state, the more I see they have one of the most moderate living conditions in the US. A great growing season. Cheap land. Fantastic off grid resources. Plenty of water. Accessibility. Walkable towns. The only downside is fracking.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I only asked because I have heard people complain about the taxes in Maine and COL. I know it is the same for NY. Didn't both states have some sort of soda tax?
The majority of people in Maine are urban and thus have higher taxes and Cost-Of-Living; while the other >92% of Maine does not.

>92% of Maine's land mass is forest and rural.

So it is very likely that you would hear urban Mainers complaining about their urban taxes.

I have friends who live in Portland. Their COL is much higher than mine, and their taxes are many times higher than mine. I live in the Southern half of Maine about 3 hours from Portland.



There is a 5 cent deposit on bottles, you get a 5 cent refund when you return those bottles.
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Central and Southern Ohio. ... Plenty of water. Accessibility. Walkable towns. The only downside is fracking.
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Water shortages suck big time.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Aside from Ohio cities that get their water from Lake Erie, most shortages are localized to towns that rely on reservoirs that are insufficient for the populations they supply in times of drought. There is not a state in the country that doesn't have this problem.

If you don't live in a densely populated area of Ohio and have wells, surface water and/or a cachment system, it is not a major problem. People homestead in deserts. Ohio homesteaders don't have much to worry about if they do their homework.
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