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Old 08-03-2014, 06:28 AM
 
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None around here.
Can't break through the frozen ground?
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Old 08-03-2014, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I assume there is simply no petroleum here to be fraked.
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz
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Iowa hill california is the only place I know to go off grid. We are trying to get up there but cannot buy right now and when a rental is available, it's always given to someone they know. Only negative here is the hot weather . The American river and a sugar pine reseavor is very close to there. Not too far from amnesties and Cops hardly drive out there. We attend the small church there

We are looking into redwood valley california as it only gets between 85 to 90 degrees there in summer
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Old 08-24-2014, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Iowa hill california is the only place I know to go off grid. We are trying to get up there but cannot buy right now and when a rental is available, it's always given to someone they know. Only negative here is the hot weather . The American river and a sugar pine reseavor is very close to there. Not too far from amnesties and Cops hardly drive out there. We attend the small church there

We are looking into redwood valley california as it only gets between 85 to 90 degrees there in summer
Placer County is densely populated, they have 230 people per square-mile. Do not forget the droughts.

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Old 08-24-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz
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Placer County is densely populated, they have 230 people per square-mile. Do not forget the droughts.

Yes good points. Yet Placer County extends into the Foothills , on the path to Reno Nevada.
You can decide whether you wish to live in a heavily populated area or in almost total isolation.
Or in between... such as our town.

The droughts are the primary reason we are examining whether to move into another State. Scary
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Old 08-26-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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The droughts are the primary reason we are examining whether to move into another State. Scary
That is something I simply cannot understand. Despite the high cost of living and being regulated and taxed almost to death, Californians consider it a tragedy to move out of California. Yes, the sunshine and the temperatures are very nice...but what else is there (if anything else) that makes them so loyal to the state?
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Old 08-26-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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That is something I simply cannot understand. Despite the high cost of living and being regulated and taxed almost to death, Californians consider it a tragedy to move out of California. Yes, the sunshine and the temperatures are very nice...but what else is there (if anything else) that makes them so loyal to the state?
I think that most of these people are so used to being treated like children that they can't imagine living without rules for everything in their lives.
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Old 08-26-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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That is something I simply cannot understand. Despite the high cost of living and being regulated and taxed almost to death, Californians consider it a tragedy to move out of California. Yes, the sunshine and the temperatures are very nice...but what else is there (if anything else) that makes them so loyal to the state?
As a Californian, most of my relatives are there; most of my highschool friends are there. They love it, and would never consider leaving.

When it works [no brush fires in your neighborhood, no mud slides, no earthquakes, and your earning enough to be on top of your taxes], it can be nice.

There are a bunch of National Parks: Yosemite, Death Valley, Devils Postpile, Joshua Tree, Mojave, Point Reyes, Redwood, Sequoia and Kings Canyons, Pinnacles, and many more.

State parks: Mt Shasta / Shasta lake, Antelope Valley, Calaveras Big Trees, Fremont Peak, Half moon bay, Mt Whitney, and many more.

There are dozens of huge reservoirs for freshwater fishing, boating, skiing. Houseboat flotillas with weekend parties are common.



I live closer to an ocean now in Maine, than I did growing up in California. My family did a lot of trips in the mountains. With my first car it was a normal routine, to re-tune the carb, to run on the thin air every time I drove up into the mountains.

So long as you can afford it, life can be very nice in California.



Those refugee camps / tent cities of homeless are scary. My hometown city government bought a 100 acre parcel from one of my highschool classmates, so the town could resettle their small tent city there. Last time I visited they estimated 30,000 people were were living there, one of the smaller refugee camps.
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Old 08-26-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I think that most of these people are so used to being treated like children that they can't imagine living without rules for everything in their lives.
It has been a slow creep.

People living there who have never left to live anywhere else, do not see the changes.

We owned a Multi-Family-Residence in Merced county. When we lived in it, the property was outside of town in the county. We transferred overseas and the nearest town expanded itself to absorb a large chunk of county land. Including our MFR. They mandated that wells be sealed, septic systems fill-in, all residences had to be plumbed into the city water/sewage. Sidewalks and curbs were installed. Even with Prop-13, the taxes quickly went through the roof.

I grew-up there, then I left. I returned and lived there for a while, and left again. To me, I can see a lot of changes that have happened since the 60s. A lot of un-controlled sprawl.

Consider Apple Valley [within Victor Valley] in the Mohave Desert. In the 60s there was a struggling apple orchard. Not enough water to honestly prosper a fruit orchard, to farmer was struggling because it is desert ans does not have enough water to sustain fruit trees. Developers swarmed in, bought a lot of land, and did their marketing. Today Apple Valley has 70,000 people, and still no more water than it had a century ago. Victor Valley has around 390,000 people, entirely in the desert.

People swarm to the place, there is money to be made from sprawl. So the towns sprawl far beyond sustainability.

They rely on the state government to keep them safe, and to keep water flowing.
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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That is something I simply cannot understand. Despite the high cost of living and being regulated and taxed almost to death, Californians consider it a tragedy to move out of California. Yes, the sunshine and the temperatures are very nice...but what else is there (if anything else) that makes them so loyal to the state?
The same could be said of the NE and Maine. I keep reading about people homesteading in NY and Maine. Even the Amish are leaving for NY. Why go to a nanny state?
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