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I doubt the UK is and different. But Paul, I am willing to review your data if you post it.
my "data" is personal experience, I see it every time I go out the front door, no delete that, I don't need to go outside I can see it from my front windows!!
my "data" is personal experience, I see it every time I go out the front door, no delete that, I don't need to go outside I can see it from my front windows!!
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Originally Posted by bigpaul
post collapse, in the UK, living where I do i'll be hard pressed to see another person let alone have to shoot them.
weapons here will be more about putting food on the table .
The whole smart phone phenomenon seems largely confined to certain regions and certain groups. It's apparently common among people from the Northeast and among Orientals as a group. I don't see it where I live and I have never seen it even in Billings, Montana or Salt Lake City except among the aforementioned Orientals.
There's a big world outside of New York City and its area of influence.
Seriously? You either need to get out more, or look around more. It exists in Billings and SLC just like any other town. Saying "Orientals" is offensive and outdated enough, but to suggest that they are on their phones more is both wrong and offensive.
"Could you survive without that phone?"
Probably not now, no more than I could survive without a car, microwave, refrigerator and such like my ancestors did. How in the world did they survive without modern refrigeration/modern plumbing/etc? Life with its conveniences are forever changing everyday.
What you call modern plumbing began nearly three thousand years ago in Minoan Crete, then disappeared during the Greek Dark Ages. It was common in ancient Rome, then disappeared during the European Dark Ages. The use of chariots, the art of pottery making, medicine, and so much else followed the same cyclic course. These dark ages and others were preceded by technological advances.
When my microwave died a year or so ago I never replaced it. I constructed an ice house several years ago. I fill it with ice during the winter; it keeps food cold all year. I have a wood-fired stove that cooks as well as a Viking. My lighting is primarily kerosene, but I could replace it with fish oil lamps. That's what our ancient anestors used.
Without a car a round trip to town would probably tke fourteen hours by horse and wagon instead of under one hour. I'd go less often.
Life expectancy in ancient Rome was as high as in the late nineteenth century but far lower in the intervening centuries.
The ancient Romans used heliographs which allowed almost instance communications over hundreds of miles.
The next dark age will be a dilly. It will certainly be worldwide and see a population drop of about 90‰, about the same as the previous dark ages.. Are you ready? I am.
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The next dark age will be a dilly. It will certainly be worldwide and see a population drop of about 90‰, about the same as the previous dark ages.. Are you ready? I am.
You think you are. I am not saying you are not, but you cannot know. Especially since the last one affected people with the technologies you would hope to rely on.
I think the problem is that people these days are so connected to their modern conveniences be that a smart phone or indoor plumbing or a motor car that should anything happen to remove all these things, would they be able to survive without them? probably not if what has been said to me is true.
without motor vehicles to carry food to the supermarkets and computers to reorder stock when it runs out, life will be a very different place to where we are now.
You think you are. I am not saying you are not, but you cannot know. Especially since the last one affected people with the technologies you would hope to rely on.
civilisations have come and civilisations have gone, this present one will be no different.
in the past the technology has been so basic that people were able to access their daily needs by their own labours, these days people are specialists and rely heavily on technology that may not survive the collapse of society.
in the past the technology has been so basic that people were able to access their daily needs by their own labours,
This is untrue. I think it would be similar to the past where some people were put in a better situation and some not.
I think you want to believe you are better prepared for some reason but since you do not know what you are preparing for I am not sure how you can make the case that you are.
But there is no proof that "civilization" or our societies will fall in our lifetimes.
This is untrue. I think it would be similar to the past where some people were put in a better situation and some not.
I think you want to believe you are better prepared for some reason but since you do not know what you are preparing for I am not sure how you can make the case that you are.
But there is no proof that "civilization" or our societies will fall in our lifetimes.
and no proof that they wont.
what you are saying is known as "normalcy bias" and is typical of the masses these days.
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