You can only choose two guns... (converted, pressure, prevent, prices)
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No need to buy Hatchers book considering your tax dollars already paid for it. Well, US tax dollars anyway. Hatcher makes some interesting observations especially when it comes to how recoil occurs. Most would never think that the gases coming out of the barrel as a rocket engine. Not all of his observations are considered 100% but it's a very good start on learning about how and why of weapons. It's lengthy, wordy, but full of interesting observations. What I've found unique is the "new" lower recoil ammo that has come out. It was explained in his notebook a long time ago how to achieve these types of ammo. Where some of his notes are just wrong is the effect of the sound barrier in regards to bullet flight. Some of the current bullet designs have overcome the instability issues and remain stable even as they become subsonic. For what he had to work with and considering the times, he did a great work here.
Once you've read it and have some grasp of his notebook, might want to research Hatchers Notebook online and read some of the critics views of his writings. It gets involved and some of it is over most folks pay grade but interesting anyway.
Rocket engine? Well, maybe a little. The recoil is all about the weight of the bullet and the velocity imparted on it.
For survival and self-sufficiency I would say a 30-06 because of the cartridge ubiquity, ease of finding reloading components, and versatility.
And a .22 LR.
3 guns?
30-06 for big game and longer-range shooting
.45 ACP Glock for defense
.22 LR for small game
I'm not a huge fan of ARs as they have more moving parts, can jam, and are less accurate than a bolt action rifle. I know, I know, I'm sure there are 438 people viewing this thread who have an AR that can shoot dime-sized groups "all day long".
Just saying if I had the choice for survival and self-sufficiency, bolt action all the way.
If it was more a defense scenario, I want any and every gun that works.
Nothing wrong with your choices. A bolt would be the way to go, if I didn't have to worry about predators.
I'm not going to brag about putting all rounds in a dime size group all day, but I will say that I'm able to hit man size targets all day out to 500 yards with iron sites
Grouping? Somewhere on that man size target lol
30-06 is a great round. It's my hunting round. Though I bought me a 338 win mag this winter, I am not sure that it will replace my 06.
Rocket engine? Well, maybe a little. The recoil is all about the weight of the bullet and the velocity imparted on it.
No, it is not "all about." Thrust pays an important role. Bullet weight (actually mass) and velocity allow a rough but useful comparison among loads, but that alone doesn't allow us to actually calculate recoil. There's an excellent explanation in this book.
One of the most informative book about firearms that I've read is "The Rifle Book" by Jack O'Connor. In particular, the chapter about caliber nomenclature and the rather haphazard way that firearms and ammunition are named is very helpful.
Jack O'Connors's work has a great deal of useful information. He was a professional gun writer for years and is another excellent writer.
For survival purposes it's important to look at this from another direction.
If and when we have TEOTWAWKI happen then the most important question is what ammo might be available. Probably the most common would be 12 gage, 22lr, and 9mm, there could also be others depending on your location. So I would be looking at guns that fire these. No mater how many thousands of rounds a person may have stored away it's is going to be used up in time.
Another important consideration is the magazine capacity and the number of loaded magazines you carry, because in a fire fight it will be over when you run out of magazine ammo. Even if you are carrying 2000 rounds free you will never have time to reload.
Something else that gets over locked are air rifles. Break barrel riffles can drop small game from 70 yards and make almost no noise, plus the ammo is unbelievably cheap.
Unless suppressed, a spring air rifle that will be effective at 70 yards is quite loud.
Nothing wrong with your choices. A bolt would be the way to go, if I didn't have to worry about predators.
I'm not going to brag about putting all rounds in a dime size group all day, but I will say that I'm able to hit man size targets all day out to 500 yards with iron sites
Grouping? Somewhere on that man size target lol
30-06 is a great round. It's my hunting round. Though I bought me a 338 win mag this winter, I am not sure that it will replace my 06.
Really hard to go wrong with a 30-06. It's like the ford F150---it doesn't really excel at anything, but it does everything pretty well.
I shoot a 300 win mag which is better for 500+ yards and is overall a flatter shooting cartridge capable of pushing heavier bullets.
Really hard to go wrong with a 30-06. It's like the ford F150---it doesn't really excel at anything, but it does everything pretty well.
I shoot a 300 win mag which is better for 500+ yards and is overall a flatter shooting cartridge capable of pushing heavier bullets.
I bet that 338 kicks like a draft horse!!
Maybe not. The .338 tends to be more of a push, whereas your .300 is more of a jab. Also depends on the bullet weight, load, and the weight and stock design of the rifle. For instance, a Kimber .300 will smack you, where a Pre-64 Winchester Model 70 in .338 will be more of a strong push. One caliber may have more ft. lbs. of recoil, but the impulse is different, and different weapons will often FEEL entirely different when firing the same caliber and load.
Hi friend ,
I hesitate responding to you on this topic (only), because at this juncture in my 'gun' exploration...
getting a lecture re "get over it" would deter me, from getting it together...
Surely you get the drift.
I think learning this is valuable, but I need to take it slow. - How many resourceful folks you mentioned here are PATIENT ??
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A book will only get you so far. In the end, you will need to learn from people.
of course.
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Have you looked into your state's hunter safety program? It isn't just for hunters! There is a lot of basic firearms training included, usually with some hands-on. It's free.
Then visit your friendly local firearms dealer, and ask for their advice. You aren't obligated to buy. But when you do, it's only fair to buy there.
I've looked, & even found upcoming class dates.
Then family & friends point out: "Um, you are a softie you know.
You can Not point a gun at someone, unless you are willing to DEFEND yourself & others. Because
the enemy will get it away from you, & kill you. You must be willing to pull the trigger."
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There are many good YouTube videos on guns. Not all their info is accurate, but most of it is. I would look for basic videos on guns for home defense, rather than in-depth reviews of specific guns - that's for later, when you want to buy a particular type of gun.
Since I gave up on TV ages ago, wasting time watching more! violence, than what is on the news every second of the day, is counter-productive. And doesn't give me any actual experience.
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Look up NRA instructors in your area, for a training class. It's not free, but won't break the bank. Ask for the handgun safety course, and kill 2 birds with one stone - you can then apply for your concealed carry permit.
Um, until am prepared, with the confidence that I can trust myself to carry through...
"concealed carry permit" is not what I should be doing.
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Your local police dept or state police can recommend an NRA instructor they know. Don't be afraid,
just go right in and ask. You really need to get some gun-handling and shooting time.
No. we live in another of those states where the police think that guns kill people,
even if it's only laying there, with no-one touching it. So 'guns aren't safe in public hands.'
what idiots!!
Agreed on gun-handling, & shooting-time... at bulls eyes Surely I can do that as the day is long.
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Many states have practice ranges for the public, usually free, by prior arrangement. Ask at your firearms dealer. too.
This will get you a lot farther than delving into a 600+ page book that you may never finish.
Take these steps that I listed, and you will be well on your way for minimal cost.
3 main fears:
1. scopes If an enemy has you in their sites from a mile away,
when you can not even be aware of their presence, what's the point of having 1, or 4 guns? 2. Surprise-attacks in your face :
do you guys sleep with your guns under your pillow?
3. Stoopid shows with 4-8 people killing each other in same room in under 3 seconds, also don't help.
For having gone way off-topic, or off-target as it were, Forgive me. Maybe a separate psych thread on gun-use would be appropriate.
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