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Old 05-23-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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North Korea is an absolute monarchy but it's a tiny country that is, in reality, inconsequential militarily. They have no nuclear capability. Why would Muslims come to their aid? Muslims in this country and Europe are inconsequential as well. The only reason that they are able to mount their terror campaigns is because the American government and others allow it. An extermination campaign would be child's play.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:34 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I thought this is a very interesting take And it's unconventional enough to where I really like it,

If you haven't read these before you might appreciate it.

North Korea infiltrated terror squads into the US in the 1990s to attack nuclear power stations | Daily Mail Online

North Korea Had Commando Units On US Soil Trained To Attack Nuclear Power Stations And Terrorize US Cities

Couple sleeper agents attacking soft targets with cyber attacks in infrastructure and that has potential for catastrophic damage if they are clever enough.

Asymmetric warfare

Unconventional only in the fact that it's never been done before. But our enemies are not like us. They have learned from history. They fully realize that they need to hit us here at home. And hit hard. I have no doubt that Kim has alliances with ME terror groups, and he also has his own people here. Probably working right alongside the ME types. Taking their time, building their weapons and supplies slowly so as to stay under the radar. Formulating plans and picking targets. They are operating independently. Not having to communicate with any central power. Other than whatever communications net they have linked up between themselves here, so when it's time to roll they can coordinate their operations across the country and cause maximum initial effect.


The first attacks will be the biggest. Then they will go dark, heading to the hills so to speak, and being unpredictable in where they might hit next. The initial attacks , I believe, would be carried out in force sizes of platoon to company strength. Ongoing operations would break down into no bigger than platoon, and squad would be preferred. Using explosives and light infantry weapons (get used to the thought of RPGs) squad size groups could hit and run with impunity in the major urban centers. They could easily blend in before and after attacks, just fading away into the crowds of panic stricken people, and bouncing from place to place to regroup and rearm.


The chaos they can cause would put the government into a flat spin. The militia would be an absolute necessity. It would have to organize, set up communications, get supplied with everything from arms and ammunition to food, water and medical assets. The state, federal and local governments would need to put some serious effort into getting this done. Getting the militia forces coordinated with LE and whatever military assets could be put in the field here, which wouldn't be much. We have been highly dependent on using NG and reserve forces overseas since Desert Storm. The enemy is not blind to this and they just LOVE the gun control groups. Those idiots would get a wake up call at warp speed.


Like I said, CA is totally buggered. Other major urban centers that are in trouble include NYC, Chicago, Boston, Baltimore, just think of any major urban cesspool that has implemented strict firearms laws, or outright banned people from being able to have them. Hmmm, our very capitol, Washington DC, would be totally unable to get the militia together. And their mentality would preclude them from calling up volunteers and arming , supplying and organizing them. Instead, they would probably be kicking in doors on our own loyal citizens looking for arms and supplies. Which the enemy would just be laughing uproariously at, as assets that could be coordinating with militia and pose a threat to them are instead turned out against our own loyal people who are willing and able to fight, organized for security at potential targets, patrolling, and being proactive against the enemy forces.


What I can envision places like DC, NYC, the major urban areas especially of CA doing in response to a scenario such as we are discussing scares the hell out of me. I can easily envision these bastions of ultra leftist lunacy turning on our own as an enemy battle force operates with impunity. In all complete seriousness, if a major war breaks out the militia is going to be a total necessity here at home, and the peace, love, tolerance and diversity nuts best wake up and find the coffee pot. The diversity that would appear in the militia would shock these daffy nut cases. In the face of such an enemy as I am postulating here, which is a more than highly probable happening, how quickly lines drawn up on skin tone, ethnic background, sexual orientation, even religion and politics, would vanish as the militia forms up would leave all kinds of folks struck dumb. The feds would probably have to ensure that state and metro governments don't turn on our own, and take control of getting the militia turned out. Otherwise we could easily be looking at a shattered mess beyond repair.


If our powers that be had half a brain twixt the whole herd, they would be dumping some resources into the CMP. Making surplus weapons and ammunition as available as possible to loyal citizens. Get all those old Garands, M2s, 1911s, 03 A3s, M14s and whatever else into the hands of the CMP. Even surplus M16s could be put in the inventory. Of course the happy switch would need swapped out, but that's easy enough. The CMP needs to become an organization that is FULLY backed by the government. It needs to be greatly expanded, better funded, allowed to do what it was intended to do. Ensure a WELL REGULATED, (meaning equipped, trained and ready to organize) militia. Truly, with the current state of things and as stretched as our military is our militia is going to be badly needed, and the means to ensure we have an effective force that's ready and able to take up duties here at home if war does break out is in place. It just needs to be paid some long neglected attention.


From where I'm sitting, the CMP is more important than DHS, FBI, DEA, ATF and all those other federal LE alphabets combined. I highly encourage anyone and everyone to write their reps. Flood DC with this. Trump was elected because we need change. BIG change. Revitalizing the CMP is a very important change that needs to happen. I've sent letters and e mails to my reps, and even a couple to the White House. My reps are Californicated, but I'm doing all I can on my own here to get this idea piled up enough on their desks to where they can't just ignore it. I'm asking (begging even) that others do the same wherever they may be. We can ill afford to continue to let the ultra left nut cases use the word "Militia" as a slur. And in that same spirit the ultra right nut cases that have given the ultra left the ability to make the word a slur need reined in as well. It's up to those of us in the middle, which is a vast number, to take our militia back, and make it what it needs to be.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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^^^ He's right, you know...
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:57 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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North Korea is an absolute monarchy but it's a tiny country that is, in reality, inconsequential militarily. They have no nuclear capability. Why would Muslims come to their aid? Muslims in this country and Europe are inconsequential as well. The only reason that they are able to mount their terror campaigns is because the American government and others allow it. An extermination campaign would be child's play.

Inconsequential militarily? No nuclear capability? ummm, OK. I won't even go there with ya. As to why would Muslims come to their aid, for one they have a common interest. Hatred of the US. For another, they wouldn't form my postulated alliance for free. Kim would have to pony up, which he can do. Money, arms, ammunition, intelligence, other supplies such as medical stores, explosives, clothing, and sending advisors to help train their operators wouldn't surprise me a bit. The Muslim groups would have much to gain from ties with NK and the reverse is also true. The enemy of my enemy. It's pretty simple, and for both NK and the jihadists it just makes sense.


Muslims are hardly inconsequential either in Europe or here. In Europe they are raising hell right now and this is just small potatoes. Don't make the mistake of underestimating either NK or the jihadists. NKs military is double tough and heavily brainwashed. I'd give the jihadists the same credit. Underestimating our enemies would be a serious mistake.


A full blown, declared war with either NK or in the ME (which we're looking at not just one country but several) is something we are NOT ready for. When DC has to federalize the NG and deploy them overseas to get enough boots kicking sand, that should send up a slew of red flags as to our force projection capabilities. When they first did that in Desert Storm my eyebrows shot up. Been doing it ever since. That blows the anti 2A crowds argument that the NG is the militia straight out of the water. There is an 800 pound gorilla on PCP holding a big club in each hand standing on the table that is being ignored right now.


That being that any declared war happening with the obvious suspects will NOT stay confined outside our borders this time. I've already detailed how I believe it will go down, and I do believe the assets are in place to make it happen. If either NK or the jihadists can get the US to commit to a full blown declared war, these assets will go into play. The militia will need to be called up, coordinated and organized here at home before any declared war action could go into serious operations. It's the only way we can effectively put enough forces fielded to defend things here. When I say militia I'm not talking about a gaggle of guys with 22 rifles standing around with their thumbs up their posteriors. I'm talking about a serious, dedicated and well organized force, across the country, coordinated with local, state and federal agencies (there wouldn't be any military forces to spare) ready to engage a well armed and organized enemy. We would need enough forces to deploy defending power plants, dams, bridges, and all our other key infrastructure, major hard targets in other words, plus get enough people out to at least try and keep major soft targets defended as well.


Forces would need to be ready to mount offensive operations against the infiltration units as well. Finding them where they hide and digging them out by the roots like the blood soaked parasitical warts they are. When pinned down to a specific location where they are gathered in force, get under them with a sharp blade, grab them with a pair of pliers and rip them out. Effective intelligence assets would need to be seriously going to work. It's not like our home forces could just wait around for the enemy to strike. We would need to be actively seeking them as well as having defensive forces in place.


Make no mistake. The next declared war will hit us where we live. The word militia will take on its true definition once again. Those who have been advocating that the 2A is an obsolete amendment, that it has no purpose in our modern society and that it should be repealed will be learning the hard way how wrong they are. Thanks for the vote of confidence countryboy. I do feel strongly that I am right about this. To be honest, I actually hope I'm not. I would rather have some egg on my face than frostbite from standing a post at some remote but critical dam or power plant somewhere in the middle of Winter, while our cities are going up in flames and an organized and equipped enemy is killing innocent people (maybe people I dearly love) across the country and our military is engaged head to head in some foreign s***hole.
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Old 05-23-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The word militia will take on its true definition once again.
The militia are defined as ALL MALE CITIZENS.
And Congress has the power to call forth that body (all male citizens) to train, fight, and die on command.
That definition has not changed since 1777.
...
Title 10 United States Code, Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States
...
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Old 05-23-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Socialism / Communism / Marxism?? I haven't seen this mentioned.

Right now there is an epic battle taking place between the Globalists / UN / Liberals / EU; and Western Civilization as we have known it. Those on the left (and this very much includes all western governments) are trying to destroy Western Civilization and Capitalism. The Globalists want the world living under a Socialist tyranny. The reason Trump is persona non grata is that he is standing in the way of all this (it appears). They will assassinate him a la JFK if he begins to implement enough of his plans. The left is already trying to impeach him, but has no real grounds. If we lose Trump, the American people will revolt. The left doesn't seem to understand this.
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Old 05-23-2017, 04:54 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The militia are defined as ALL MALE CITIZENS.
And Congress has the power to call forth that body (all male citizens) to train, fight, and die on command.
That definition has not changed since 1777.
...
Title 10 United States Code, Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States
...

Yes. This is indeed how things are written. But I think we may have a short circuit in context here. For a while now the word "militia" has been used by opponents of the second amendment to conjure up images of morons in pieced together cammo, beer bellies showing from under their shirts, waving Confederate flags and dreaming of glorious combat against the government.


Regardless of the written definition you've posted here, the militia are indeed CITIZENS, but loyal ones. Who would be desperately needed and would answer the call in a situation such as I outlined. The militia can also organize independently of any call from congress, should defending their individual communities be at issue. However, we are talking about a national issue here.


Do you believe that Congress would actually call up the militia even in such a scenario as I theorized? I'm not sure they have that much sense.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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what is the CMP ?

(very interesting take NV Plumber).
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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what is the CMP ?

(very interesting take NV Plumber).
Civilian marksmanship program?

They used to sell surplus GI rifles. They sold tons of M1 garands but not so much anymore. They have become quite expensive and picked over.

I guess I've heard rumors of tons of m1 carbines and 1911s stored over seas but they still have yet to make their way back her to be available in the CMP
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Largely due to the political whims of the last administration and unaccountable bureaucrats not issuing import permits and such... The sellers wish to sell, the buyers wish to buy, and all is stymied by a behemoth government with its own agendas.
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