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It would hit the U.S., Canada and other advanced countries hard.
Not necessarily.
A Nuclear EMP Event would be focused on the US most likely, and not Western Europe. Depending on the height of burst of the warheads, parts of Canada and Mexico may be affected.
A Solar EMP Event may be limited in scope as well. A small Event could take out half of the US, while a major event (similar to the Carrington Event) could take out the entire US or the entire Western Europe.
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Maybe when the power was turned back on and there was some sort of system and government again
It would be one to three Centuries before the US returns to what it is now, electrically speaking.
It all depends on how much Europe is willing to give to the US, and how fast they can give it.
A Nuclear EMP Event would be focused on the US most likely, and not Western Europe. Depending on the height of burst of the warheads, parts of Canada and Mexico may be affected.
A Solar EMP Event may be limited in scope as well. A small Event could take out half of the US, while a major event (similar to the Carrington Event) could take out the entire US or the entire Western Europe.
It would be one to three Centuries before the US returns to what it is now, electrically speaking.
It all depends on how much Europe is willing to give to the US, and how fast they can give it.
Bottom line? your hypothetical scenario wont happen and the Welfare leeches.
Well, if we are truly in a Solar Minimum, that's bad because the Sun likes to kick off big-ass Solar Flares when it exits a Solar Minimum. A Solar EMP Event is a distinct possibility in your life-time.
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Disabled and old people are going to be a part of our society forever.
Not in an apocalyptic scenario like a Nuclear/Solar EMP Event.
There's limited food, water and medical supplies. Choices have to be made. Those people who are worthless don't get fed and get nothing to drink.
My job during an EMP will be to protect three medium-sized farms in the western part of Hamilton County, Ohio.
If we are careful -- and lucky -- we can feed maybe 4,000 people. That means the other 855,000 people who live in the County get nothing, and so they die (unless they can fend for themselves -- maybe they can resort to cannibalism or something).
It's nothing personal, it's just what happens.
Who lives and who dies depends entirely on your value -- what you can contribute to the group to keep it functioning. We don't need baristas or fast-food workers or data entry operators or call-center specialists.
Being "old" doesn't automatically disqualify one, but you need a skill that we desperately need.
We actually have a TO&E for four battalions of 898 people each. For example, the Headquarters and Headquarters Company has a medical section with surgeons -- not useless doctors, but real bona fide surgeons -- nurses, dentists and medics. There's Labor Company with Farming Platoon to farm, Detail Platoon to do odd labor tasks and Scavenging Platoon to scavenge. Security Company provides local security. Attack Company actively patrols, seeking out threats to destroy.
We need people who are physically fit to perform the tasks, so that leaves out most disabled people, and a lot of the elderly.
If you're disabled, you'd best be some kind of engineer, like an hydraulic engineer. We need several of those. There are other jobs. We have a Staff Judge Advocate (SJA) and a Judge Advocate General (JAG) so we'll need lawyers, paralegals and legal secretaries, eight of each to be exact. Justice must be dispensed swiftly and fairly, you know. Librarians. Teachers. There are some possible jobs for the elderly.
We would be on a level with a 2nd or 3rd world country
Actually you'd be 5th World.
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Not all grids would be down. I live in an area where utilities are underground because of wind.
Um, EMP happens because ionized particles penetrate the ground.
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There's a hydroelectric plant. How does that grid fail?
Do you understand 4-Dimensions? An EMP field has height, depth and width, plus time.
Depending on the exact nature of the event -- in the case of a Nuclear EMP Scenario the size of the warhead and the height at which it is detonated -- the EMP field will be thousands of miles wide (covering the US coast-to-coast), thousands of miles in length (including parts of Canada and Mexico), have a height of 10s of meters -- starting below ground -- into the 100s of meters and last for up to several hours.
Everything is enveloped by the EMP field for a duration of time.
Look at a Printed-Wire Board.
All those electronic parts and the microchips and micro-processors get overloaded and become "fried."
All the electronic gadgetry at the main-stations, sub-stations, transformer stations and switching stations that regulate and supply electricity from your hydro-power source will cease to function.
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Unless there's worldwide failure, it would be a short-lived event.
You don't understand logistics.
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Worldwide failure is impossible.
Not completely, but most likely such an event would require a massive Solar Event.
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The EMP sounds like the most overrated threat in the modern world. There was a specialist from a think tank that studies such things on NPR and he said in order to shut down something small like power in one house it'd take a weapon far beyond anything we have in existence. Right now EMP is more of a neat little toy in theory.
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We don't even know if an EMP event is possible.
Yes, we do.
You might want to read the Congressional Hearings about EMP.
There's limited food, water and medical supplies. Choices have to be made. Those people who are worthless don't get fed and get nothing to drink.
What do you figure the SS&P forum is for? It's for those of us who prepare. Right now, food, water, and medical supplies are not "limited", and we've got 'em. We can raise our own food, too. We don't need your 3 farms in Ohio, and we don't need you, playing God.
I'll bet you personally don't have 2 weeks of food in the house. You'd better hope and pray that you'll be near those 3 farms when the balloon goes up! If not, somebody else will be looking at your list of skills, and playing "eenie, meenie, minie, mo" with YOU!
Much cheaper and easier to prepare personally NOW.
What do you figure the SS&P forum is for? It's for those of us who prepare. Right now, food, water, and medical supplies are not "limited", and we've got 'em. We can raise our own food, too. We don't need your 3 farms in Ohio, and we don't need you, playing God.
I'll bet you personally don't have 2 weeks of food in the house. You'd better hope and pray that you'll be near those 3 farms when the balloon goes up! If not, somebody else will be looking at your list of skills, and playing "eenie, meenie, minie, mo" with YOU!
Much cheaper and easier to prepare personally NOW.
It's estimated there's 3 million preppers. Probably more
It's estimated there's 3 million preppers. Probably more
Do you mean that there are three million people with capital, a good location, no need to hold a job, knowledgeable in investment management, and a well-rounded education?
Do you mean that there are three million people with capital, a good location, no need to hold a job, knowledgeable in investment management, and a well-rounded education?
while we blather on regarding what happens here in the US. What about the rest of the world? The US is KO'ed in a day. Someone did it. Does that someone takeover the rest of the world and come to pick our bones or does the world go up in a ball of radioactive smoke? Remember We'd have forces deployed around the Globe, theoretically now cut off from home including Nuclear weapon equipped forces. What happens?
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