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This video is a good one on dealing with an active shooter. It also illustrates my point that if they ban the black rifles, they will go after the semi-auto pistols next and if they ban the semi-auto pistols, they will go after shotguns and if they ban the shotguns, revolvers will be on the chopping block.
...great safety video to watch even if you hate guns.
I do not understand why so many people put an equals sign between banning one specific weapon -- or even a specific accessory, like silencers or extended ammo clips -- and some nonexistent general order to see everyone's guns getting taken away across the board. Nobody has EVER tried to make that happen and NO president interested in staying in the White House would sign it into law. The American people love their guns too much. They work for us, at our sufferance, remember?
Thank you for helping prove my point. There is a serious effort to censure gun rights. It's not tin foil hat territory when it's really happening,
It really is becoming us vs them.
We cannot compromise on our rights any more. There is no compromise to be had, Its either lose our rights r fight back/non compliance.
There's a serious effort to silence anything that doesn't fit into the Liberal narrative. That will only serve to further divide the people.
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Trend analysis shows our "civilization" will implode between 6 and 16 years from now.
(Clinton got almost 50% of the popular vote, and with all of
the fraudulent votes, she actually got a bit over 50%)
Amendments are equally important in a civilized government. We the people can modify certain antiquated laws that hinder the rights of it's citizens. We need assault weapons because? .answer: we don't. Anymore then we need nuclear bombs. Be that as it may, a law can be changed. It will be welcoming to have this younger generation set the stage for safety and limiting the types of weapontry .
And you need a 500 HP Corvette why? You need alcohol why? Speed limit is 65, and alcohol kills many, many people every year. Start there and then we can talk about guns when you are successful with that.
And you need a 500 HP Corvette why? You need alcohol why? Speed limit is 65, and alcohol kills many, many people every year. Start there and then we can talk about guns when you are successful with that.
amen to that . the liberals want you drunk so they can come into your home and snatch your guns . well I say this to that when you come to my home you had better have way more than a damn piece of paper to take my belongings .
I do not understand why so many people put an equals sign between banning one specific weapon -- or even a specific accessory, like silencers or extended ammo clips -- and some nonexistent general order to see everyone's guns getting taken away across the board. Nobody has EVER tried to make that happen and NO president interested in staying in the White House would sign it into law. The American people love their guns too much. They work for us, at our sufferance, remember?
Another historical revisionist?
Doesn't want people to know it has happened many times in the past?
There are even instances of it discussed in this thread.
Fudd
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.
... Nobody has EVER tried to make that happen and NO president interested in staying in the White House would sign it into law. ... They work for us, at our sufferance, remember?
You are correct. You do not understand.
"They" worked for us at one time. It can be debated when "they" stopped working for us or to what extent, but based on my own research into the obvious, the transformation started around the end of WWI with various new policies, and it was most certainly in full swing during FDR's presidency in the thirties. Prior to that, we'd had some bad presidents for various reasons, but there was no unified, concerted effort by organized progressive factions with enough influence to effect change. Since, it has been slowly festering like a malignant tumor. Now the collectivist progressives have totally consumed the democratic party and partially consumed the republican party.
Over the past few years or couple of decades, the march toward totalitarianism under the false flag of "equality," "social justice," etc, has accelerated due to a new weapon--the internet. The internet, in itself, is a wonderful tool, but the progressives have found a way to use it as a weapon of indoctrination and misinformation. They don't control it 100% (they certainly wish they did, though) at this point, but they control the social media and popular websites enough to use the net as a brainwashing and misinformation machine.
The original premise of this nation was individual liberty. It has never been perfect in its implementation--after all, the founders were trying to break with tens of thousands of years of societal bias, traditions, and tyranny. That is not an easy task. Look around you and ask yourself why we as a society do anything we do today. Analyze it from a logical standpoint. You'll find some things we do that are certainly not "fair," but that's the way "it has always been." So, we see it as the norm. The founders of this nation were in the same situation and trying to break all those norms and traditions. They couldn't possibly break all of them instantly, yet the modern "historian" will fault them because, although they were able to completely re-engineer government structure on the whole, they were unable to change certain injustices instantly. NOBODY could have. They came closer than any civilization ever has. Yet, in the modern historian's mind, they were "unjust monsters." And worse, their solution is to turn to tyranny and collectivism to "fix it."
The nation was founded on equality of opportunity and the rights of the individual to do pretty much whatever, assuming it was not infringing upon the rights of his neighbor to do the same. And it had been heading in that direction for a good while. Much progress was made. But somewhere along the line, the SJW progressive got the notion that our nation should be all about equality of outcome and collectivism.
That was NOT the intent, and it should not be now, either. In a free society, each person is able to decide what sort of social structure he or she would like to be a part of. After making that choice, he or she is free to find like-minded individuals who practice that structure FOR THEMSELVES, not inflict it upon others who do not share their concepts of what the "perfect society" should be. For example, anyone who believes in "socialism" should be free to practice it. But they should never be free to INFLICT it upon others. As a voluntary concept it is called "cooperativism," not socialism, and it has been practiced by various groups in the US since the first colonists arrived here. That's great! Get a bunch of your friends, Snowflakes, and have at your cooperative communes. I would honestly wish you all the best. Plenty of hippies did it in the sixties and it worked for many of them. Plenty of religious groups have done it in the past and it has worked for them. BUT, DO NOT force others to share your ideals. Let others decide their social structure for themselves, whether than be a hermit shack in the middle of death valley or a cooperative community Texas, or whatever else. Be a voluntary collectivist rather than a despot. You don't need to be validated by having everyone around you being a carbon copy of yourself. Live naked walking on your hands wearing purple bloomers if you want. Great. Have at it. But let others be themselves and quit trying to turn them into slaves to do your bidding for you.
The call of the individualist: do as you please, but do not force others to do as you please.
Yet you were more enthusiastic about the presidential choice of the prior eight years?
I'm no Trump worshiper, but compared to the previous despot, he's practically a liberator. If Trump had done nothing else up to this point, just the fact that he abolished the health care slavery act earns my trust (possibly the most heinous and unconstitutional law that has ever been inflicted--I don't care WHAT the SC said about it. It basically repealed the thirteenth amendment). As long as he is disconnecting the tentacles of the federal government from me (us) rather than connecting new ones, I'm fine with his actions. I don't care if he makes another billion dollars doing it, which of course he isn't. Seems I heard somewhere that he isn't even collecting compensation for his position. That sure beats committing treason, running dark web servers in your basement, lying, smashing court confiscated evidence, and being given a good-ol-boy exoneration, no?
The ACA doesn't get passed without Congress and that you don't care about SCOTUS proves my point that it was not just a one man show. Committing treason? Trump is aligned with a Despot/KGB man, or should I saw OWNED by him. I assume you mean Hilary. Not a big fan. Frankly, she sold her soul(looking the other way while Bill played) to be in position to run for POTUS. She wasn't really worthy, riding Bill's coattails. I doubt she could have the personality to have reach Senator on her own. But having Bill on board, at least I knew he could deal with Congress if Hilary couldn't. But she wouldn't list to him during the campaign because it was payback time for his transgressions and SHE was in charge! Stupid!
I don't care if Trump makes money either, I just don't want his incompetent behind at 1600 Penn. His whole administration has been one truly devoid of competent leadership. If the House or Senate turns Democratic, I don't see him sticking around beyond 2019.
I don't care if Trump makes money either, I just don't want his incompetent behind at 1600 Penn. His whole administration has been one truly devoid of competent leadership. If the House or Senate turns Democratic, I don't see him sticking around beyond 2019.
Funny, from my perspective, he has been systematically dismantling all the things I did not care for during the reign of his predecessor. I'm no longer told that I have to buy a product from a private corporation. My taxes have gone down. Policies for the confiscation of other assets have been abolished. My wages have gone up (and no, I'm not a "rich" person. I don't make all that much). None of that happened during the previous eight years (what little that did was minuscule). In fact, my employment status was slashed because of regulations enacted by the previous administration. Now those restrictions are to be lifted. Nothing has been going bad for me since "the incompetent" took the reins.
So, pardon me for disagreeing, but I don't really see that as incompetence. I'm more concerned with what policies are actually enacted than I am how eloquent or smartly dressed the guy is, or if he had a consensual relationship with some woman. I also don't care if he congratulated Putin (I recall Obama telling a Russian government official to have patience and he {Obama} would be able to cut deals with the Russians to a greater degree--and nobody said a damn thing about that). I'm all about how Trump's policies affect me and the everyday people around me. Beyond that, I don't really care much. I can't afford to care. My country has been in the process of being systematically dismantled since the 1990s. At this point I can only care about the really important things. And that doesn't include much of anything you folks have been going on and on about.
Besides, everything you guys are all bent out of shape with Trump about has happened tenfold in the past under democrat presidents and administrations... and it all seemed to be okay at that time.
I'm more of a moderate and look at the whole guns thing with wonderment. I have a shotgun and a .380 semi-auto pistol. I like guns, I'm not the type to go crazy, but something needs to happen... sure the argument is always made that boy those guns must be jumping up and firing on their own and killing people, or if guns were banned then people would use knives and baseball bats. The thing is, semi-auto rifles like AR-15's and the modified AK-47's that we have in our country can kill a lot of people very fast (or heck, semi-auto pistols). It wouldn't take much to modify an AK-47 back to its full auto mode. A psychopath with a few hours and some machining ability could do it easily.
In all reality, our society in America and Europe is at the point that I highly doubt we would ever see new dictators like we saw in Stalin or Hitler. I'd be ok with getting rid of semi-automatics across the board, including pistols, and maybe getting rid of pump-action shotguns. I'm ok with staying with rifles like 30-30s and breech-loading shotguns, etc. There's no need for anything else... there really isn't. I'm also not convinced that there would be enough people to rise up and overthrow the government either, should the US decide to tighten down. A few wackjobs might do things, but in the end, it would take millions, and millions aren't going to march on Washington.
The US can give a year to turn everything in, and give you a check, then cut the receivers up with metal saws like Australia. I'm tired of the mass death.
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