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Old 07-12-2018, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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This is not a silly gun. It's an excellent practical gun. I can't believe that Daisy dropped it and that no other company picked it up. My FIL bought four of these in 1967. He gave two to my late wife and me. I have all four now and consider them to be fine guns. The caseless ammo still works fine.

https://rockislandauction.blogspot.c...-vl-rifle.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_V/L
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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I remember that one, too. Remember thinking upon seeing the ad, here we go, electric gun with expensive ammo. Epic flop, it was. Most gun owners apparently didnt trust electronic ignition for hunting.

IMHO, a good trigger on any good bolt action can be adjusted, or if you want replaced with a Timney, and you can get such a good trigger pull on that, that the additional complication of electronic ignition is just an answer in search of a question.


That and anybody who spends any time in the woods already knows, for some reason batteries are always dead when you need them out in the boonies.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:57 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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IMHO, a good trigger on any good bolt action can be adjusted, or if you want replaced with a Timney, and you can get such a good trigger pull on that, that the additional complication of electronic ignition is just an answer in search of a question.


That and anybody who spends any time in the woods already knows, for some reason batteries are always dead when you need them out in the boonies.
Bingo. Me, I like the Ruger Hawkeye I bought last year for a hard use rifle. Not the tightest groups, the sweetest trigger, nor the prettiest gun, but it is good enough in all respects for dragging on a crawl through multiflora rose and oak thickets, and will drop what I point it at without fail. It is, at its core, a tool. It does its job perfectly, without extra flash, just reliabiliy. The 1-4x scope with the iluminated reticle I put on it has a battery, but it isn't critical to the function. Just handy at first and last light in the thick growth of the Ozarks. True 1x for fast shots in the brush, and up to 4x for hunting the local river bottoms and hayfields. In .308, it's all a man needs for varmints to elk anywhere in America. Shoot, reduced loads and cast bullets even work wonders on rabbits and the like, although a Ruger .22 pistol serves well enough for small game from quail on up. Hunted everything for several years with a Winchester 94 in 45 Colt. A .308 AND a .22 is fancy livin'.

That Remington electric rifle always reminded me of the scene in Big Jake, when John Wayne's son with the motorbike and all the latest weaponry rolls up and demonstrates his "Bergmann" autopistol. Newfangled whizzbang item that has nothing on the things it purports to replace.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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That Remington electric rifle always reminded me of the scene in Big Jake, when John Wayne's son with the motorbike and all the latest weaponry rolls up and demonstrates his "Bergmann" autopistol. Newfangled whizzbang item that has nothing on the things it purports to replace.
The Bergmann Bayard is a fine, fine gun. I bought my first about 1965 at a Tucson gunshow. It's a gun I can still trust. I love the Piepers, Bergmanns, and the related guns. Adolf Hitler is known to have carried the smaller .32. That one is a rare bird which I've never found. The Bergmann Bayard fires the 9mm Bergmann Bayard which is identical to the 9mm Largo. 9mm Steyr can be used as well. It's a great shooter. Be sure to watch the second video in the linked article.

It's very different from the electric rifle as it was a military handgun for years.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ear...bayard-191021/
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Has anyone here besides me heard of the Trejo? People sometimes brought more than liquor back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-AQsHY1_c
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Has anyone here besides me heard of the Trejo? People sometimes brought more than liquor back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-AQsHY1_c
Now that is cool. That Trejo could have some utility as a backup gun. Pretty devastating at close range. Eight rounds that quick puts a hurt on someone...

I did see, at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot one year, a miniaturized M2 Browning machine gun in .22 caliber. As I recall, the gun with tripod was about 6 inches tall and maybe 16 inches long. It fired from a belt as well. Novelty item to be sure, but not something you would likely find anyone else you know in possession of.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Now that is cool. That Trejo could have some utility as a backup gun. Pretty devastating at close range. Eight rounds that quick puts a hurt on someone...
Yes, indeed.

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I did see, at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot one year, a miniaturized M2 Browning machine gun in .22 caliber. As I recall, the gun with tripod was about 6 inches tall and maybe 16 inches long. It fired from a belt as well. Novelty item to be sure, but not something you would likely find anyone else you know in possession of.
I would love to have that. I'd keep it on my desk.

I saw a picture of a miniature Japanese artillery piece that was was chambered for a rifle cartridge of the time, the late nineteenth century.
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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These are variants of the Lercker, a twenty shot machine pistol in .25 A.C.P. With a cyclic rate of 1200 r.p.m. it allows a one second burst. They were made in Italy just after the war, but the factory fell victim to government oppression. There are very few in existence. Besides what is stated below, there was at least one in the Soviet Arms Cabinet so I assume that there's at least one in Russia today.



https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ler...achine-pistol/

Lercker Machine Pistol | FirearmCentral Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

Here's something very practical.

I saw one for sale in Yemen some years ago and should have bought it for the $2600 asking price. I could have parked it in a safe deposit box in Switzerland or Lichtenstein.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALH0gQa8gY

https://www.tactical-life.com/combat...e-beretta-9mm/
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Here's a really silly covert pistol. It's a gem. Any beginning handloader can keep it fed. The video is new. The gun isn't silly; the carrying arrangement is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmFUT9tEdg

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Old 07-13-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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These are variants of the Lercker, a twenty shot machine pistol in .25 A.C.P. With a cyclic rate of 1200 r.p.m. it allows a one second burst. They were made in Italy just after the war, but the factory fell victim to government oppression. There are very few in existence. Besides what is stated below, there was at least one in the Soviet Arms Cabinet so I assume that there's at least one in Russia today.



https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ler...achine-pistol/

Lercker Machine Pistol | FirearmCentral Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

Here's something very practical.

I saw one for sale in Yemen some years ago and should have bought it for the $2600 asking price. I could have parked it in a safe deposit box in Switzerland or Lichtenstein.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALH0gQa8gY

https://www.tactical-life.com/combat...e-beretta-9mm/
I wanted one of those, until the Glock 18 came out. With an extended 33 rd. mag, that G18 is a wicked beast. The only 9mm I have fired that I liked better was the MP5SD. I would still enjoy a transferable 93R.
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