U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Soccer
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:21 AM
 
3,756 posts, read 4,132,337 times
Reputation: 2831

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davy-040 View Post
At the top yes, at the bottom where promotion/relegation matters it didn't change that much.
How exactly does promotion and relegation make the big European soccer leagues the best in the world?


The MLS is not going to adopt a European soccer schedule where the league starts in mid to late August and ends in mid to late May. Playing soccer games outdoors in places like Minneapolis, Chicago, New York and Foxborough will be brutal in December, January, February and March. The MLS has a nice setup with its current schedule.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
10,460 posts, read 13,362,210 times
Reputation: 4969
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAM88 View Post
How exactly does promotion and relegation make the big European soccer leagues the best in the world?


The MLS is not going to adopt a European soccer schedule where the league starts in mid to late August and ends in mid to late May. Playing soccer games outdoors in places like Minneapolis, Chicago, New York and Foxborough will be brutal in December, January, February and March. The MLS has a nice setup with its current schedule.
Competition.

They can still start in March and end in October.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:31 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
4,260 posts, read 1,135,651 times
Reputation: 2594
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAM88 View Post


The MLS is not going to adopt a European soccer schedule where the league starts in mid to late August and ends in mid to late May. Playing soccer games outdoors in places like Minneapolis, Chicago, New York and Foxborough will be brutal in December, January, February and March. The MLS has a nice setup with its current schedule.

I agree the MLS will not adopt this schedule - but not so much because of weather. Indoor stadiums can change that - we’ve seen that happen over the years with football. It’s more because it is when football, basketball (and even hockey) are played in the US, and soccer just can’t compete with football in this country. Even at a time when most other sports are on break (except baseball), MLS has struggled getting fans near the pitch.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
4,260 posts, read 1,135,651 times
Reputation: 2594
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davy-040 View Post
Competition.

They can still start in March and end in October.
Yep
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:45 AM
 
3,756 posts, read 4,132,337 times
Reputation: 2831
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy View Post
I agree the MLS will not adopt this schedule - but not so much because of weather. Indoor stadiums can change that - we’ve seen that happen over the years with football. It’s more because it is when football, basketball (and even hockey) are played in the US, and soccer just can’t compete with football in this country. Even at a time when most other sports are on break (except baseball), MLS has struggled getting fans near the pitch.
A problem is that all of these new soccer specific stadiums have not been built with full roofs. Start building them with full roofs, or retractable roofs and construction costs will surge. It would be a lot to ask a team in Minneapolis to have 6-8 home games in an outdoor stadium in the dead of winter and expect fans to show up. MLS was smart and did their own thing when it came to scheduling. Like you said, Fall and winter are prime time for the NFL, NHL and NBA. Plus college football and college basketball too. I am sure the networks that broadcast their games also want them on their current schedule.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-28-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
4,260 posts, read 1,135,651 times
Reputation: 2594
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAM88 View Post
Like you said, Fall and winter are prime time for the NFL, NHL and NBA. Plus college football and college basketball too. I am sure the networks that broadcast their games also want them on their current schedule.
Yeah, exactly. It’s why it will never happen - but a consequence is US players being at a disadvantage during World Cup (and trials), when games are crunched in between regular season games/travel.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2019, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Seattle
7,095 posts, read 1,684,286 times
Reputation: 6110
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy View Post
Yeah, exactly. It’s why it will never happen - but a consequence is US players being at a disadvantage during World Cup (and trials), when games are crunched in between regular season games/travel.

They do have the significant advantage of being in peak regular season condition during the World Cup though. If the US talent level can improve, I think it'll be a wash.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-31-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
4,260 posts, read 1,135,651 times
Reputation: 2594
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjshae View Post
They do have the significant advantage of being in peak regular season condition during the World Cup though. If the US talent level can improve, I think it'll be a wash.
Even if they improve (and sadly a big if), tired legs and fatigue plays a major role in the world of soccer which is why the World Cup schedule favors the world majority in the first place.

Also - if it’s a World Cup year, you can bet players will be in top conditioning regardless (they wouldn’t stop because it’s off-season) - better shape than US because fatigue and injury are not factors.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-01-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Tejas
7,599 posts, read 16,932,056 times
Reputation: 5161
MLS hasnt helped the standard of football improve a whole lot. Lets face it, after 26 years we should be seeing the fruits of MLS but were not really. The brunt of US talent is born or playing their youth football abroad.

My main thinking behind this is,
1) Watering down the talent. Why do we need to add more and more teams to a weak pool of players as it is, weve basically tapped the poor to good pool of America now MLS teams scour the dredges of the rest of the world to fill the void. This isnt helping in the slightest.
2) If I own an MLS team I am going to do next to little to develop players because their is no financial reward for doing so. If I get a player good enough he will be bought by a team for next to nothing and then MLS is going to come in and take a chunk of that investment I just made.
3) I think relegation absolutely helps make it a bigger league. Right now if youre crap, we give the fat kid a chance to still make the playoffs and when they come bottom they get a good choice from a draft as a reward.
4) Relying on college kids in a draft is too late. College level football is very poor and getting a 22 year old in the draft ... you are not going to get a Messi out of that.
5) The playoffs them self are long and boring and dont bring much interest from the rest of the world because of it.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-01-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: In the Sunshine State
1,873 posts, read 418,175 times
Reputation: 1062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davy-040 View Post
Add Promotion/Regulation and get rid of the playoffs if the MLS ever wants to be a Top 10 league in the world.
That has been my beef in this country for ever. And that really applies to all Pro Sports Legues in the USA
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Soccer
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:43 AM.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top