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Old 06-27-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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It is not the same lol. The US womens team won a WC and a month later lost the US boys U15's team 4-0 in a behind closed doors match. I grew up and bleed football, have traveled to many countries to catch a match. The quality of the US womens team vs many part time clubs I have seen is comparable.
You are, of course, 100% correct but don't waste your time trying to argue or convince betas or dreamers....let them have their delusions (it's what keeps them going and makes them feel "empowered"....notice I said "feel").
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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You are, of course, 100% correct but don't waste your time trying to argue or convince betas or dreamers....let them have their delusions (it's what keeps them going and makes them feel "empowered"....notice I said "feel").
Were the women playing to win with their starting lineup, or was it a friendly training exercise with a bunch of rookie subs? Anybody can prove anything using a sample size of one. Whatever. Personally I find the progress of Women's soccer encouraging based on the amount of interest it generates among female fans and players. A sport that causes young women to live healthier lives is a positive for society. Plus the matches are enjoyable to watch.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Were the women playing to win with their starting lineup, or was it a friendly training exercise with a bunch of rookie subs? Anybody can prove anything using a sample size of one. Whatever. Personally I find the progress of Women's soccer encouraging based on the amount of interest it generates among female fans and players. A sport that causes young women to live healthier lives is a positive for society. Plus the matches are enjoyable to watch.
They were full-grown women deemed talented enough to be selected for the national team. Even if it was the so-called second-stringers, that's still elite territory -- we're not talking about a bunch of ladies randomly plucked off of college soccer squads at second-tier state universities.
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Old 06-28-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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It was a meaningless informal scrimmage, not a game.

https://www.90min.com/posts/4833646-...en-by-u15-boys

Make of it what you will.
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Old 06-28-2019, 10:02 PM
 
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Were the women playing to win with their starting lineup, or was it a friendly training exercise with a bunch of rookie subs? Anybody can prove anything using a sample size of one. Whatever. Personally I find the progress of Women's soccer encouraging based on the amount of interest it generates among female fans and players. A sport that causes young women to live healthier lives is a positive for society. Plus the matches are enjoyable to watch.
You might be shocked but I agree with you on most of what you said.....most. The problem comes in when these women become deluded into thinking they should be considered equal to or be given an equal amount of money as the men's team. No...they shouldn't...they would never be able to compete with or match the men's soccer play or talent. To make a comparison, it's like minor league A level baseball players maintaining they should get the same money/fame and held in the same regard as MLB players.

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Old 06-29-2019, 06:45 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Its minor league soccer compared to the men, if even that.
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Old 06-29-2019, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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It was a meaningless informal scrimmage, not a game.

https://www.90min.com/posts/4833646-...en-by-u15-boys

Make of it what you will.
"Meaningless informal scrimmage" is redundant and synonymous with "not a game," so I'm not very moved by your attempt to dismiss the results of the meaningless, informal, not-a-game scrimmage between the sides. I'm even less persuaded by the embarrassing sociopolitical screed in your link, though I'll allow that its tone was mostly in kind to similarly embarrassing screeds on the other side of the ideological ledger.

Back here on Planet Reality, I've seen and participated in enough scrimmages between squads of supposedly disproportionate talent and experience to understand their purpose: to show the upstarts how far they have to go to reach what will eventually be expected of them. Even if the more talented team eases up, they still usually win convincingly.

That didn't happen here. And while you scratch your head all day long trying to decipher why that is, those of us who inhabit the real world don't have to spend any time pondering it.
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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You might be shocked but I agree with you on most of what you said.....most. The problem comes in when these women become deluded into thinking they should be considered equal to or be given an equal amount of money as the men's team. No...they shouldn't...they would never be able to compete with or match the men's soccer play or talent. To make a comparison, it's like minor league A level baseball players maintaining they should get the same money/fame and held in the same regard as MLB players.
Everyone should be paid based upon the economies of the game. Earning should be based on ticket revenue, TV ratings and merchandise revenue. The notiion that you think men play better is f'ing insane and should have nothing to with revenue. Salaries based on revenue, as it is in every sport.

Now, since the women sell more tickets, for more revenue, get better ratings, and sell more individual merchandise, I think the women should be paid FAR FAR more.
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Old 07-01-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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You might be shocked but I agree with you on most of what you said.....most. The problem comes in when these women become deluded into thinking they should be considered equal to or be given an equal amount of money as the men's team. No...they shouldn't...they would never be able to compete with or match the men's soccer play or talent. To make a comparison, it's like minor league A level baseball players maintaining they should get the same money/fame and held in the same regard as MLB players.
To me, the talent level is not the primary consideration. It's an entertainment venue and the payment should be weighted to match the TV and gate revenue, just as it is for the men. Otherwise, where else is the money going to come from? If the women generate more prime TV income, they should get more than the men.
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Old 07-01-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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"Meaningless informal scrimmage" is redundant and synonymous with "not a game," so I'm not very moved by your attempt to dismiss the results of the meaningless, informal, not-a-game scrimmage between the sides. I'm even less persuaded by the embarrassing sociopolitical screed in your link, though I'll allow that its tone was mostly in kind to similarly embarrassing screeds on the other side of the ideological ledger.

Back here on Planet Reality, I've seen and participated in enough scrimmages between squads of supposedly disproportionate talent and experience to understand their purpose: to show the upstarts how far they have to go to reach what will eventually be expected of them. Even if the more talented team eases up, they still usually win convincingly.

That didn't happen here. And while you scratch your head all day long trying to decipher why that is, those of us who inhabit the real world don't have to spend any time pondering it.
Meh, whatever. My main point is that it wasn't a proper game, and most likely the boys were much more motivated to "win" this scrimmage than the women. If it was a proper contest with the women as prepared and motivated as the boys, then the result could well be different. Does it matter? It's entertainment. Yes though, in general top male soccer players will be stronger and faster, while top women players will have longer careers.
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