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Fast growing? Pickens and Oconee arent fast growing. Both have ony gained 1,000 people since 2010. Greenville is the only county in the upstate I'd call fast growing. The are rest declining (Abbeville, Union, Greenwood), slow (Oconee, Pickens), or normal (Anderson, Spartanburg).
That said this could still work in Seneca and keep some people from having to run to Anderson or Greenville for basic retail. I doubt you'll be seeing a Kohls, Dicks, Academy, etc, but Tj Macx and Michaels would work. I cant see the theater being over 10 screens either, but it doesnt matter because itll probably be cheap, which is good.
Greenwood just got Kohls, Ross, TJmaxx, Michaels, Publix, Hobby Lobby, Petco and Ulta. If it's declining how do you explain all those retailers wanting to be there? Retailers and commercial developers do their homework.
Belk has been in Seneca for years. A smaller Kohls like Greer, Greenwood and Easley could work in the Clemson/Seneca area and why would a store like Academy not like having a store in a college town on a lake and not far from the mountains. All of these retailers would do a smaller scale store likely.
I agree about a smaller 10-12 screen multiplex but I doubt it will be much cheaper.
Greenwood just got Kohls, Ross, TJmaxx, Michaels, Publix, Hobby Lobby, Petco and Ulta. If it's declining how do you explain all those retailers wanting to be there? Retailers and commercial developers do their homework.
Belk has been in Seneca for years. A smaller Kohls like Greer, Greenwood and Easley could work in the Clemson/Seneca area and why would a store like Academy not like having a store in a college town on a lake and not far from the mountains. All of these retailers would do a smaller scale store likely.
I agree about a smaller 10-12 screen multiplex but I doubt it will be much cheaper.
Greenwood is a regional hub, theres nothing around it. Theyre finally filling in. People in Saluda, Abbeville, McCormick, Edgefield, and Newberry go to Greenwood to shop.
Thats not the case with Seneca. People have no problem driving to Anderson from Seneca to go to Kohls and Academy. Driving to Anderson or Augusta from Greenwood for that is a hassle. There are many cities that have these stores even without the demographics because of their central location in the middle of nowhere. Look at Statesboro, GA, Brunswick, GA, Florence, New Bern, NC, etc.
Belk is not special, theres Belk's everywhere, not just large cities with big malls. Its Belk, not Macy's. I didn't say those stores wont come, I just doubt it. Cant imagine 2 Academy's or Kohls in Pickens County. And the theater will be cheap. People in Seneca area arent going to pay $11-12 for a movie ticket. Expect $7-8. Thats not a bad thing, you should want that.
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Originally Posted by Carolina Knight
Both Seneca and Clemson are constantly growing with the increase of permanent residents with Clemson University and Lake Keowee being major draws. This fuels the growth of Seneca and Clemson's retail markets. Major retailers present in Anderson and Easley are on their way to be part of the growth.
Both counties have grown at a rate of 200 people per year. Thats not much. You can spin it all you want, but 1,000 peoples in five years is miniscule. Its better than negative growth, but the language you use makes it sound like growth is much larger than it really is.
The cost of admission and concessions at theaters have increased exponentially. Theater chains are having difficulty filling seats, which could explain the increasing cost of admission. I would not expect Regal Cinemas or AMC to locate at Hartwell Village. A smaller regional chain with 10 to 12 screens with stadium seating is doable.
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Originally Posted by Jandrew5
Greenwood is a regional hub, theres nothing around it. Theyre finally filling in. People in Saluda, Abbeville, McCormick, Edgefield, and Newberry go to Greenwood to shop.
Both counties have grown at a rate of 200 people per year. Thats not much. You can spin it all you want, but 1,000 peoples in five years is miniscule. Its better than negative growth, but the language you use makes it sound like growth is much larger than it really is.
First, no one from Edgefield and Newberry counties are traveling to Greenwood to shop when Columbia, Aiken, North Augusta and Augusta are closer with more options.
Second, can you share where you are getting your growth figures for Oconee and Pickens counties? It can be difficult to prove these counties are not growing quickly. If the area of Seneca and Clemson is growing, why is there a need for a power retail center?
Um...the US census bureau? 2014 estimates were just released. In 5 years, Pickens has gained 1,142 people. Oconee has gained 917. Lancaster County, which is around the same size as Oconee has gsined 6,508 in 5 years. That is what you call fast growth. Even Jasper County has gained 2,400 new people. Jasper (doesnt matter if its mostly retirees).
And you dont have to grow to get retail...they fill in. Theres plenty of cities have been pretty stagnant, but still get things. Sumter has been moving slower than a snail, but theres still rumored projects and they could finally get a Target soon. Again look at Statesboro, GA. Another snail city, but they have more than they should because of location and the audience already there. Thats what happened with Greenwood. Greenwood was always going to get those stores eventually whether it grew or not. Eventually Greenwood will finally get a Target too. Easley too will eventually get a Target. Eventually Spartanburg and Anderson may get Trader Joes. Soon everybody will have a Smashburger. Everybodys leaving the Northeast, but theyre still getting shppoing centers better than ours. Its not all on growth.
There are some people in Edgefield and Newberry counties that utilize Greenwood, and theres less traffic to deal with. If you just want to go to Khols, why you go to Columbia to sit on Harbison Blvd all day when you can breeze in and out of Greenwood? Greenwood is a regional hub. Seneca is not. No one said the retail center is a need. Its a want. The developer wants to put it there, they dont "need" too. Even if people in Seneca would like more ammentities, theyre content with whats already around. Most people everywhere are content. The developers just see Seneca as an untapped market and Hartwell Lake as a drawing zone. Nothing wrong with that, but its not all on growth - which is slow.
Um...the US census bureau? 2014 estimates were just released. In 5 years, Pickens has gained 1,142 people. Oconee has gained 917. Lancaster County, which is around the same size as Oconee has gsined 6,508 in 5 years. That is what you call fast growth. Even Jasper County has gained 2,400 new people. Jasper (doesnt matter if its mostly retirees).
And you dont have to grow to get retail...they fill in. Theres plenty of cities have been pretty stagnant, but still get things. Sumter has been moving slower than a snail, but theres still rumored projects and they could finally get a Target soon. Again look at Statesboro, GA. Another snail city, but they have more than they should because of location and the audience already there. Thats what happened with Greenwood. Greenwood was always going to get those stores eventually whether it grew or not. Eventually Greenwood will finally get a Target too. Easley too will eventually get a Target. Eventually Spartanburg and Anderson may get Trader Joes. Soon everybody will have a Smashburger. Everybodys leaving the Northeast, but theyre still getting shppoing centers better than ours. Its not all on growth.
There are some people in Edgefield and Newberry counties that utilize Greenwood, and theres less traffic to deal with. If you just want to go to Khols, why you go to Columbia to sit on Harbison Blvd all day when you can breeze in and out of Greenwood? Greenwood is a regional hub. Seneca is not. No one said the retail center is a need. Its a want. The developer wants to put it there, they dont "need" too. Even if people in Seneca would like more ammentities, theyre content with whats already around. Most people everywhere are content. The developers just see Seneca as an untapped market and Hartwell Lake as a drawing zone. Nothing wrong with that, but its not all on growth - which is slow.
PS there is no Ulta in Greenwood.
Ulta is currently being constructed in the new shopping center anchored by Kohls and Ross on right side of Old Navy. Building is up should be open by summer.
Putting a theater on waterfront is a ridiculous use of waterfront space which is in high demand for views. There should be a waterfront restaurant, high end type, that can take advantage of being on the lake. Also, we already have too many grocery stores. One will likely go out of business soon.
The site plan may have changed with the anchor resembling a Harris Teeter, a supermarket and subsidiary of Kroger reentering the upstate region. Oconee County would be a new market for both Harris Teeter and Kroger.
I would not be surprised to see a supermarket close in future. Ingle's Markets #94 (211 Ingles Place, Seneca, South Carolina 29678-0848) is constantly busy. Food Lion #2209 (1085-D Old Clemson Highway, Seneca, South Carolina 29672-8062) and Bi-Lo #5419 (115 Rochester Highway, Seneca, South Carolina 29672-2402) barely have any cars in their parking lot, and likely lack enough customers.
Harris Teeter won't survive. When food lion was Bloom and offered more specialty items, that didn't survive. Plus walmart neighborhood market is drawing customers away from other stores. Also, the area isn't really that close to other student housing, like Ingles. Maybe if you have more bike accessibility that would nice - make a bike path so bikes don't have to cross parking areas.
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