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View Poll Results: Do the *majority* of those who stand with the Confederate flag, do so out of agnst towards certain e
Yes. The majority of those who support the Flag, do so out of angst towards certain ethnic groups. 45 46.39%
No. The majority of those who identify with the confederate flag, do so for reasons outside of race. 52 53.61%
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Old 07-07-2015, 03:03 PM
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I'd like to take an honest count.

There are lots of opinions surrounding flying the Confederate battle flag. But what I'd like to know, is what motivation is thought of those people who support flying the flag?

Do you think the *majority* of supporters who fly the Flag, support the Flag solely on the basis of deep seated racial hatred towards certain ethnic groups?

Or do you think the motive of the *majority* of flag supporters, support the Flag for reasons outside of race?
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:25 PM
 
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I don't think the choices are fair.

It's not that simple.

You can support a racist institution that benefits you and still not consider yourself or be viewed as an individual racist.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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I don't think the choices are fair.

It's not that simple.

You can support a racist institution that benefits you and still not consider yourself or be viewed as an individual racist.
Thought the same thing, but I wasn't prepared to say so. I am so tired of the entire debate.

I remember a friend of mine in college proudly supporting the Dixiecrats. She unfortunately assumed that this was simply a trendy term for a liberal Democrat from the South. When informed of its actual origins she was horrified.

Commentators here and elsewhere have made it abundantly clear that to many the battle flag is a symbol of Southern heritage and history. Unfortunately we also need to acknowledge its other associations and let it go. I am sure the many creative and industrious minds of the South can create other less divisive displays of Southern pride.
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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You haven't stated your question clearly. What on earth is "angst" toward another group? Do you mean "animosity"?
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Old 07-08-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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You haven't stated your question clearly. What on earth is "angst" toward another group? Do you mean "animosity"?
i agree with angst. I'm currently living in SC and i see it as angst also. Animosity maybe towards the government yes i would agree.
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Old 07-08-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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You haven't stated your question clearly. What on earth is "angst" toward another group? Do you mean "animosity"?
Angst: a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general:
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Old 07-08-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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I too dont like the choices.

Yes...some obviously are racist.

Some arent.
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Old 07-08-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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I think this is a failed attempt by the opening poster to discredit the theory that the Confederate flag represents racism. Nobody is saying everyone who flies it is a racist, the issue is what it stood for in the past.
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Old 07-09-2015, 02:40 PM
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I think this is a failed attempt by the opening poster to discredit the theory that the Confederate flag represents racism. Nobody is saying everyone who flies it is a racist, the issue is what it stood for in the past.
I am not trying to discredit anything .

There are a lot of feelings at either end of the spectrum, and I was curious to know what people left of center, thought was the motivation of those supporting the flag.

For if those strong feelings are motivated by a sense of empathy towards Black Americans, and that which Black Americans endured, I can understand their strong feelings against the confederate battle flag.

But if those strong feelings exclude a racial component, I then wonder why people left of center treat the flag, and it's supporters, with such distrust and disgust.

I am not a native Southerner, and I don't fly the flag. But I can't help but find interesting the force with which people want to remove the confederate battle flag (or, in Charlotte NC, the removal of a confederate memorial).
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:02 AM
 
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I am not trying to discredit anything .

There are a lot of feelings at either end of the spectrum, and I was curious to know what people left of center, thought was the motivation of those supporting the flag.

For if those strong feelings are motivated by a sense of empathy towards Black Americans, and that which Black Americans endured, I can understand their strong feelings against the confederate battle flag.

But if those strong feelings exclude a racial component, I then wonder why people left of center treat the flag, and it's supporters, with such distrust and disgust.

I am not a native Southerner, and I don't fly the flag. But I can't help but find interesting the force with which people want to remove the confederate battle flag (or, in Charlotte NC, the removal of a confederate memorial).
I am what you would call left of center. Just speaking for myself I don't feel that the majority of those in support of keeping the flag at the statehouse are holding this position because of race. They feel race is a very small part of the flag, instead they fell that the flag is a symbol of their proud southern heritage. Let's face it, the people of the South are much more provincial then people in the North. People in the south consider themselves Southerners. A guy in PA does not really identify himself as a Northerner.

So the feeling from what I've read from this group of flag supporters is those in favor of taking it down are overreacting to PC pressure. They feel the flag does not represent racism as claimed, it represents Southern Pride. For me I think that is a very narrow view and selfishly dismisses the millions who are truly offended by the flag. As I said it's not so much how it's interpreted now, it's what it represented in the past. And sorry, race is a big part of that.

That is why I believe it should be taken down from statehouse grounds. Any flag that is so polarizing, and that would include flags representing Gay Pride, Pro-Choice, etc. does not belong on statehouse grounds. Now battlefields, museums, Walmart? That's another story. Removing them from those places is an overreaction IMO.
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