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I do see too many intersections in Charleston that must have lost their street signs in Hugo or something, and they were never replaced. Many if not most of them are DOT’s responsibility, I think. City leaders need to assess the situation if they haven’t already, and get easy-to-see new signage up.
I'm pretty sure sign holders haven't been left empty since 1989. It's simply a matter of cheapness. But when I say signage, it is more than a little street sign. With all the growth SC has seen, the money isn't following.
I'm pretty sure sign holders haven't been left empty since 1989. It's simply a matter of cheapness. But when I say signage, it is more than a little street sign. With all the growth SC has seen, the money isn't following.
I’ve lived here six years and haven’t seen any intersection street signs installed yet, so if not in six years why not since ‘89? Large highway signs are missing as well - Highway 61 St. Andrews Blvd to Cannon or Calhoun is guess work until a newcomer has done it a few times and gets their bearings. There is a small sign to the far right for Highway 17 if I recall. Definitely DOT’s bad.
I’ve lived here six years and haven’t seen any intersection street signs installed yet, so if not in six years why not since ‘89? Large highway signs are missing as well - Highway 61 St. Andrews Blvd to Cannon or Calhoun is guess work until a newcomer has done it a few times and gets their bearings. There is a small sign to the far right for Highway 17 if I recall. Definitely DOT’s bad.
Its not because of a hurricane from 1989, it is because the state is cheap. The 2020s should be the decade of catch up. The growth is going to slow down, like everywhere else in the US, but SC will still top on the higher end anyways.
So maybe the signs were never there in the first place. Whether DOT is to blame for the missing ones or not, someone should step up and install them. I don’t recall ever being in a city where I couldn’t take readily visible street signs for granted. And on the peninsula there are many intersections where there are no street signs at all, let alone being readily visible.
Signs have been there, im not going to go in circles about signs. My point was about more than street signs, or signs in general, both existent and non existent ones, nor is this simply about Charleston. The point is hopefully someone decides to do things different in this decade to model how the state grows as a whole. A lot of places can be used as case studies. Road wise, Utah is a good model, imo. Can't replicate the grid, but can do everything else. Need to also fix the bureaucracy on environmental studies taking 50 years.
The Peninsula needs street signs where street signs are missing. That is not going around in circles. That is a fact.
Yes, I know that statewide there are issues. I know that nationwide there are issues. I was merely making a point.
Whether the street signs I mentioned were ever there, or got blown away by Hugo, or whether a thief needed some metal, the peninsula needs street signs where they are absent.
If you don’t want to go around in circles, cite your examples and I’ll cite mine. Stay in your lane.
Back on a numbers note, Greenville County has cracked the top 25 in the southeast. Remove Florida and Greenville is 15th. Makes me wonder just how fast SC can get more urban. At this rate, Greenville should hit 600k by the end of the decade. At this rate Charleston and Richland wont hit 500k by 2030, but Horry will clearly hit 400k.
NM, UT, KS, RI, AL, OK, OR, CT, HI, NE, and NV are all smaller states yet have 1 county over 600k already - except for NE. 3 of them have a county over 1 million. Obviously not complete apples and oranges. Some of it is SC having 3 main cities versus 1, some of it is counties being so huge, but that's one thing about SC. SC feels so mid-level. Things arent too big, but not super small either. Was just in Wyoming and it was as much of nothing as I figured it'd be. Saw more cows than people, literally.
SC has just had such a rural identity for so long and grew spread out like butter. SC operates on a different wavelength than GA and NC, and sprawl will obviously dominate, but I really am curious how urbanized it can really get between now and 2030. Will SC ever get a building in the 400 range and will SC start seeing more condo development like youre seeing in a lot of cities. Columbia has the most potential. SC will never look like Atlanta or Charlotte, but I'm sure a Sarasota vibe could happen. Also surprised SC hasnt dipped its hand in casinos. Myrtle Beach seems primed for it, everything else has already been thrown into it. Wonder if the growth can spur attitude changes in the legislator between now and 2030. Virginia just legalized casinos. Same for marijuana, at least medically.
Reminder SC was 14th in numerical growth, 4k people below New Jersey. SC was one of the tops in growth for a state without an alpha city driving things. GDP growth could be better. Not sure how much better or worse stats like crime, driving safety, health, education, income, even passport ownership, etc have gotten over 10 years. Hopefully better.
I said must have been lost in Hugo “or something.” The something could be anything. You were the one nitpicking that you were pretty sure the street signs hadn’t been missing since ‘89. I said they have been for the six years I’ve been here. You say you’ve been here longer. Nya nya nya nya nya.
Also, as I said, I was merely using that as an example, and I was responding to a post that said they didn’t see where there was an issue with signage, and I agreed that large highway signs are lacking as well and said that they and probably peninsula street signs are DOT’s responsibility.
Utah has fewer people than SC but better urban infrastructure. I get it. That’s numbers-related. Maybe the federal infrastructure plan will make a difference, as well as SC’s gas tax increase, supposedly.
Back on a numbers note, Greenville County has cracked the top 25 in the southeast. Remove Florida and Greenville is 15th. Makes me wonder just how fast SC can get more urban. At this rate, Greenville should hit 600k by the end of the decade. At this rate Charleston and Richland wont hit 500k by 2030, but Horry will clearly hit 400k.
NM, UT, KS, RI, AL, OK, OR, CT, HI, NE, and NV are all smaller states yet have 1 county over 600k already - except for NE. 3 of them have a county over 1 million. Obviously not complete apples and oranges. Some of it is SC having 3 main cities versus 1, some of it is counties being so huge, but that's one thing about SC. SC feels so mid-level. Things arent too big, but not super small either. Was just in Wyoming and it was as much of nothing as I figured it'd be. Saw more cows than people, literally.
SC has just had such a rural identity for so long and grew spread out like butter. SC operates on a different wavelength than GA and NC, and sprawl will obviously dominate, but I really am curious how urbanized it can really get between now and 2030. Will SC ever get a building in the 400 range and will SC start seeing more condo development like youre seeing in a lot of cities. Columbia has the most potential. SC will never look like Atlanta or Charlotte, but I'm sure a Sarasota vibe could happen. Also surprised SC hasnt dipped its hand in casinos. Myrtle Beach seems primed for it, everything else has already been thrown into it. Wonder if the growth can spur attitude changes in the legislator between now and 2030. Virginia just legalized casinos. Same for marijuana, at least medically.
Reminder SC was 14th in numerical growth, 4k people below New Jersey. SC was one of the tops in growth for a state without an alpha city driving things. GDP growth could be better. Not sure how much better or worse stats like crime, driving safety, health, education, income, even passport ownership, etc have gotten over 10 years. Hopefully better.
In terms of growth/settlement patterns, I suppose one could say that SC most closely resembles its colonial counterpart of VA. We don't have a NoVA in terms of prestige and recognition, but in terms of being very economically viable parts of the state in the northern reaches, it's like an Upstate/suburban Charlotte hybrid. Basically the entirety of the SC coast from Myrtle Beach through Hilton Head/Beaufort is akin to Hampton Roads while a Columbia/Charleston hybrid most closely resembles Richmond. Both states have notable cities with name recognition that aren't major cities and are arguably more known for their coastal and upper-state regions.
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