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Old 03-21-2022, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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CD,

Understood you are a stan for both Hollings and Strom. I don't question your independence on this specific topic. You've gone rogue on it with the big switch theory on the line.

Here's a petition to take down the Strom Thurmond statue. https://www.change.org/p/south-carol...na-state-house

The petition recommends erecting .....wait for it...a Fritz Hollings statue in Strom's place. No mention of the fact Hollings was a segregationist.

There is no doubt the people who wrote this up also beat up on on our school system.
Petition started two years ago.

Oops, didn’t get to the goal of 100 signatures, only 74. There are outlier activists on just about every topic. Both men did better in later years. Each has his detractors, but each also has the majority’s respect.
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Old 03-21-2022, 07:40 PM
 
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This was my favorite part of the petition:

• remove the [Strom Thurmond] statue and marble pedestal and use the metal from the statue in another way, perhaps by making brass instruments to donate to a high school band, or replacing water pipes in cities struggling to maintain their water infrastructure.


Charlottesville torched Robert E. Lee. We are going to recycle Strom Thurmond.

Apparently we are sending John C Calhoun to California at their request. It would be hilarious to see John C up on a hill in San Fran.

It is ok to display the John C in a California museum but not in downtown Charleston which I thought was supposed to be a living museum. If a person can't handle a John C statue, Charleston is not the place for them given its history.

John C would feel out of place in Falls Park in the relatively modern looking Greenville but he fits downtown Charleston's old aesthetic along with Fritz Hollings.

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Old 03-22-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Greer
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Online petitions, particularly those that can't get even 100 signatures, certainly don't point to any significant public opinion stance. Trying to present such meaningless acts as representative of public opinion is dishonest.
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Old 03-22-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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So you are saying most people with your views don't want to remove Strom Thurmond statues and take his name off buildings.

That is surprising to hear.
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Old 03-22-2022, 05:25 PM
 
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Here are search results for Strom Thurmond on the Change.org website:

https://www.change.org/search?q=strom%20thurmond

The average person is not aware of this website but I think the petitions typically reflect the views of a significant number of people.

There's only one petition on there regarding Hollings. It argues his name should be allowed to stay on a building.


The petition claims Hollings "championed the interests and rights of all South Carolinians. Senator Hollings was a tireless fighter for minority rights and interests." https://www.change.org/p/university-...llings-library

No mention of his segregationist past. Setting aside his past segregation support, Hollings didn't represent all South Carolinians, only people who agreed with him on the issues.

It is clear that there are a lot of people especially young people who have no knowledge of Hollings' past or they are deceptive about it. Our state leaders and media are giving people 'misinformation' about Hollings.

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Old 03-22-2022, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Our state leaders and media don’t dwell on Thurmond’s racist, segregationist past either.

Both. Senators. Redeemed. Themselves. In. The. Eyes. Of. Objective. South. Carolinians. Who. Aren’t. Fixated. On. The. Past. Of. Former. Segregationists. Who. Went. On. To. Gain. The. Respect. Of. The. Majority. Of. Their. Constituents. Black. And. White. , Democrat. And. Republican. Geez.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:56 PM
 
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CD,

On Change.org, there were 31,636 signatures total for the Strom Thurmond statue removal or building name change petitions. It is logical to assume there are many other people with the same view who did not see those petitions.

31,636 is more people than a lot of towns in SC. There wasn't a single petition or vote against Fritz Hollings statues and building names.

Something has to account for the discrepancy given they both were segregationists.

You don't seem concerned that our kids have not been taught a basic fact of SC history. Every student who grows up in this state takes several SC history courses in school.
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Old 03-23-2022, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Clyburn, who represents South Carolina’s 6th Congressional District, spoke through tears while remembering Hollings.

“Thank God a man can change,” Clyburn said of Hollings’ transformative view on the issue of race.

Hollings initially campaigned as a segregationist when running for lieutenant governor and governor in the 1950s, but later advocated for integration at the end of his term. He cleared the way for the peaceful integration of Clemson University and other colleges and universities in 1963 when Harvey Gantt petitioned to become the first black student at the all-white institution.

Clyburn said Hollings asked that his own name be taken down from the federal courthouse in Charleston and replaced by the late U.S. District Judge J. Waties Waring, whose dissent in a South Carolina case cleared the way for the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education ruling desegregating public schools.

Herb Hartsook, the founding director of S.C. Political Collections at the University of South Carolina, believes Hollings’ legacy will live on far after his death. Hartsook began working on Hollings’ archives in 1987 and considers himself a part of Hollings’ senior staff.

- Carolina News and Reporter, 2019
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Old 03-23-2022, 09:41 PM
 
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Citing a Democratic politician like Clyburn regarding Hollings is not compelling in my view. That's a big conflict of interest. It is in the best interest of his party to rehab Hollings. Many of the people quoted in the newspaper articles were friends or on his staff. The former mayor of Charleston presented Hollings as a civil rights hero. He knows that isn't true. His gushing letter to Hollings that ran in the Post is one of the best examples of propaganda that I've seen.

Basically all of the media reporting about Hollings is opinion based. Assertions that he changed and he lead SC out of the segregation era are opinions.

Our state media typically leaves out the controversial quotes which includes quotes he made well past the 1960s. Their propaganda falls flat if they include the quotes. 'Progressives' in cities like Portland would not understand why you are enthusiastic about Hollings.

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Old 03-24-2022, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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I'm not personally enthusiastic about Hollings to the point that I qualify as "gushing" about him. I simply am not partisan like you, and I can give both Thurmond and Hollings a break for their past politics. A petition for the removal of Thurmond's statue or name that fizzled two years ago isn't something I would care to spend any energy discussing.
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